I'm getting the chademo. Are you still accepting the OTA software updates? I'm guessing the SC lockout was a separate OTA switch and the software updates wouldn't change some cars differently than others? Ugh... why do I have to be worried about tesla tampering with MY car?
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I'm getting the chademo. Are you still accepting the OTA software updates? I'm guessing the SC lockout was a separate OTA switch and the software updates wouldn't change some cars differently than others? Ugh... why do I have to be worried about tesla tampering with MY car?
Jonkoehn
Member
My model 3 superchargering was just disabled(salvaged title) randomly wile my wife was driving out of town. No heads up or anything. I think the car won't accept any D/C fast charging. So no CHAdeMO either. I hope I'm wrong.
Jonkoehn
Member
if anyone figures something out, let me know! This puts me in a big fight bind. Please help.
Jonkoehn
Member
I can't even sell the car now. Any one want a 2018 fsd, premium connectivity, rwd long range model 3 with no superchargering?
I'm looking for a lawsuit to join. If I don't find one I'll start one myself. Lief Cabraser, or however they're spelled, were quite active in the vw diesel scandal which also involved salvage cars. They might be a good choice? I believe the plaintiff would win against Tesla. Removing a feature from an owner's car because they decided it's a safety issue without ever seeing the car is arbitrary.
Your statements have no basis and are false. I have farmers ins and I can get any coverage I want, liability, comp, collision, included. "...difficult to asses all existing damage to the vehicle..? What does that even mean? If you're trying to make a blanket statement that branded title cars are inherently more dangerous than clean title then I'm debating ignorance and I won't entertain that anymore.
You need to understand that different states have different terms for title branding. So when quote Value Penguin they are talking about, in Ca for example, a car that has a salvage certificate. In order to turn a Salvage cert into a title it has to get repaired and inspected.
I'm still trying to confirm Tesla can do this OTA, without a software update. I believe they can remotely switch on and off a handful of select features at their choosing without customers knowing or permission but don't have that proof or evidence to suggest that.
I discovered sc shutdown late at night when I planned to charge and drive 175 miles to get home. That forced me to spend the night at a hotel that had a level 2 charger (an expensive one) and lose a half day of vacation the next day.
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How much information do we have to judge how adequate those protocols are? Sure, there will be electrical checks etc, but how foolproof? As for not hearing about rebuilt Teslas causing problems, well, might that not be be because they block access???
Drtimhill, are you Rudy Giuliani? What other conspiracy theories do you have for the forum? How do we know branded titles won't turn the wheels into squares? How do we know that even though Tesla hasn't seen any salvage cars, unless the owner brought them in for a paid inspection, that the wire gauge turned to half the size and will now catch fire?
ElectricIAC
Good-Natured Rascal
ElectricIAC
Good-Natured Rascal
Take the buying/selling elsewhere. Keep this thread focused.
ElectricIAC
Good-Natured Rascal
Yes, I figured so. I'm just in temporary serious and pissed off mode. I'm more shocked that I haven't found info online about a lawsuit against tesla on this. It seems so obvious to me.
Dont be silly. My point was we are speculating about if/why Tesla doesnt want rebuilds plugging into superchargers. You do realize how much power is pumping down that wire, right? If could be for safety reasons (my speculation), or it could be because they have some cunning plan to sell more cars or something else strange (your speculation). Now you tell me which of those sounds more like a conspiracy theory?
(And if you had read my post, you would have noticed I said nothing about whether I agree or disagree with what Tesla are doing. Have you been giving press conferences next to porn stores again?
)Dont be silly. My point was we are speculating about if/why Tesla doesnt want rebuilds plugging into superchargers. You do realize how much power is pumping down that wire, right? If could be for safety reasons (my speculation), or it could be because they have some cunning plan to sell more cars or something else strange (your speculation). Now you tell me which of those sounds more like a conspiracy theory?
(And if you had read my post, you would have noticed I said nothing about whether I agree or disagree with what Tesla are doing. Have you been giving press conferences next to porn stores again?
Drtimhill, yes we're both speculating. I just think my speculation has some reasonable basis while yours doesn't. Not that that's an insult. Here's my point: Power pumping down a wire is very meaningless. Do you know how many BTUs or kilowatts per gallon is pumping through the fill neck of a gasoline car? Do you know how much energy is sitting in the gas tank of your car right now (btw it's about 5x what the M3 battery)? Does it scare you if I started talking about the flash point of gasoline and how volatile it is? Lets stop talking about the blanket statement that a branding on a vehicle title somehow correlates directly to the safety of that car. Then lets get back to the point that Tesla stole a feature from my car.
BTW, if I want to drive my gas car around with a lit sparkler sticking out the gas fill cap I can do that. Ford, GM, or whomever is not going to stop me. Law enforcement might be compelled to stop me but not the manufacturer of a car. I think that's a worthwhile analogy.
You remember 911 and some leaders in some countries would say, yeah that's bad that terrorists killed Americans, but.... eluding to the fact that we somehow deserved it when those innocent people didn't. That's my point on this Tesla theft. I get heated when someone says they agree I've been robbed, but...
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(moderator note : I completely understand the passion around this topic, and disagreement is fine, just asking for civility in responses. Thanks)
it's clear, but missing the point. When you fill the car with gas, you do so with the car OFF, and a whole host of safety systems in the car, pump etc to avoid spilling and/or igniting the gas. The gasoline is essentially inert and stable during this process, and the safety systems are mostly mechanical (seals) and in the pumps (vapor detection).
This is totally different from transmitting vast amounts of electrical energy at high speed into a battery, which is an active, exothermic, chemical reaction. And that process must be actively monitored and controlled by the car using a whole host of sensors and software, in addition to various high-voltage circuits that connect more or less directly to the SC connector. This is complex, unfamiliar to most mechanics, and dangerous if it goes wrong or is not properly maintained/repaired/tested. So yes, I do get why Tesla did what they did (but read more below).
As for the lit sparkler, that's hardly the correct analogy, since we are talking about the safety of the car, not the recklessness of the owner. Let's say you bought a rebuilt Tesla, and when supercharging it, the car caught fire and also gave you a severe electric shock when you went to try to deal with it. Would you say "oh well, that was my fault" or would you find a lawyer to sue the pants off Tesla for not making the car safer? If you stick a sparkler in your filler pipe, no-one is going to find the manufacturer liable, but things are far more murky when we are dealing with a rebuilt car of unknown quality. And like it or not, in the litigious US, manufacturers take steps to avoiding exposure to that kind of liability.
Now, having said that, I think what Tesla should do is contact you, explain that for safety reasons they have disabled supercharging on your car, and that they need to inspect the car to ensure it is safe for supercharging (possibly for a nominal fee) before they can re-enable supercharging again. While I sympathize with Tesla motives, they (not for the first time) handled things very badly (I suspect we are looking at Elon's stamp of personality on the company here).
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I disagree. You're saying I've been robbed, but the robber has the right to be convinced they did it for my own good and theirs. Robbery is robbery. Lets get that straight. That's my starting point. I own the car. The state has certified it. Tesla is out of the conversation.
Knightshade
Well-Known Member
Then feel free to use the state-owned chargers.
If you want to use the Tesla owned ones then Tesla is very much IN the conversation.
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