It is the same 10kW charger as in the Model S. Yea, absolutely stupid move...it takes 44-50 hours to charge the Rav4 EV with the supplied portable charger.
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It is the same 10kW charger as in the Model S. Yea, absolutely stupid move...it takes 44-50 hours to charge the Rav4 EV with the supplied portable charger.
The model he is driving in the video has a Tesla connector. Perhaps this is not a represenative sample.
The production is J1772, but still has the 10kW charger--interesting, I wonder if they used the Tesla connector so they could charge them more quickly for the press event?
Hi Evan,
Yes, they should have left the car as they were for the 30 or so demonstration vehicles, that is with the Tesla charging port and they should have furnished the J1772 adapter.
At about 1:33 minutes into the second video from the Hybridcars website Sheldon Brown discusses the Tesla charge port.
Larry
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The video also clearly shows a button style electronic shifter, but they ended up going with a Prius style shifter (probably another cost cutting move to use parts already in production). The good news is, you can replace that lever style shifter with one from "Stage 10", it has nice light up buttons, see pics on this PriusChat thread:
Stage 10 Electronic Shifter available now | Page 2 | PriusChat
I would have posted the Stage 10 website link, but it seems to be currently down.
It sure would have been smarter to just use the Tesla connector, and supply the J-1772 adapter, then perhaps Tesla would have had a second source for their connectors and HPWC and UMC2, certainly Toyota's mass production capabilities could have benefitted them in this case.
FYI, here is the link to the hybrid cars video reviews:
Toyota Videos Spread The Word On RAV4 EV | Hybrid Cars
Stage 10 Electronic Shifter available now | Page 2 | PriusChat
I would have posted the Stage 10 website link, but it seems to be currently down.
It sure would have been smarter to just use the Tesla connector, and supply the J-1772 adapter, then perhaps Tesla would have had a second source for their connectors and HPWC and UMC2, certainly Toyota's mass production capabilities could have benefitted them in this case.
FYI, here is the link to the hybrid cars video reviews:
Toyota Videos Spread The Word On RAV4 EV | Hybrid Cars
Apparently the Tesla UMC is not UL rated, that's the reason I was told that they didn't go that route and wouldn't recommend it for charging. I'm just the messenger...
Hi Evan,
I assume those 44-50 hours is based on Level I charging. Does that portable charger also handle 240 volts?
Larry
I did a little more research. In the Toyota press release they state:
Its not clear whether the this charging cable refered to in the press release is the same thing as the portable charger. If it is then they only way to charge is via a NEMA J-1772 charger such as the Leviton charger. If the portable charger is like Tesla's UMC and is capable of charging from 240 volt outlets, then it doesn't make sense to install the Leviton charger since its a lot cheaper to install a NEMA 14-50 outlet which would have just as much capacity and would charge just as fast.
Larry
Here is a link to their "recommended" home charging unit. http://toyota.leviton.com/solutions/rav4ev I will be using my Clipper Creek TS-70 converted to J1772
Larry - According to what Mitch said here, if it is the same EVSE as the PIP, then it's only 120V (but could be upgradable by 3rd party solutions - Ingineer's EVSEupgrade program is pretty slick).
I would doubt that Toyota would supply a built in 240V solution, no mainstream car manufacturer to date has supplied a 240V solution AFAIK with the car, it's always been extra (Leaf, Volt, PIP). Not sure about the MIEV.
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Thanks. I should have read Mitch's post.
This just underlines how dubious Toyota's approach is to charging this car. The Plug in Prius approach is inappropriate to be applied to this car whose range is almost an order of magnitude greater than the PiP. I certainly hope that if Toyota decides to expand beyond a compliance car, that they will seriously revisit their approach to charging. I wonder whether it is even possible for Tesla to obtain UL certification of the UMC?
Larry
Agreed. I think that the expectation of the owner is that they will be installing a 240V J1772 EVSE in their garage for home charging purposes, in the same way that Nissan partnered with Aeroviroment to supply the "official" charging solution. Given the low volume of units expected to be sold, it's quite possible that their strategy has not been thought through all the way as well. As for the UMC, no reason why Tesla couldn't submit it for UL certification, I suppose, but they may have figured that it wasn't worth the cost since Tesla customers aren't going to be shopping around for other solutions.
Tommy
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From the research I have done, the UMC will be required to have UL certification (see NEC 625).
Tommy
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I don't know if the Roadster UMC is UL certified. From what I have read a EVSE, which the UMC is, needs be UL labeled. Whether that is a certification or just a listing, that I don't know.
mitch672
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vfx, I put the link at the bottom of post #685 above, here it is again:
Toyota Videos Spread The Word On RAV4 EV | Hybrid Cars
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