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I wonder if they will still be delivering previous orders of the 60D. Whoever ordered a 60D with green paint and black colored roof probably will have a one-of-a-kind model.
P85 RIP
buy a Tesla is like buying a phone a new 1 comes out every year
P85 RIP
buy a Tesla is like buying a phone a new 1 comes out every year
Love my P85. Had a P85+ for about a month and 99% of the time hated the suspension. Made my wife nauseous. Took a friend when returning it and he even commented how much better ride my P85 was.
I could be coaxed down the line into a P85D maybe. AWD not needed but just the acceleration would be fun. Unfortunately if they are all the + suspension then no thanks. Just lost an upgrade customer. + Good for taking curves at speed but since that is minimal I'd rather the major portion of driving be comfortable.
We are all going to have our different opinions and rationale about this topic for sure, and that is 100% completely understandable. But then again, we are currently financially invested in our vehicles so our opinions are slightly biased.
I am specifically saying that to new potential Tesla buyers or the general public, the P85 has been rendered obsolete. This is especially true if someone today decides he wants to go out and purchase Tesla's performance car, which is now the P85D, and not the P85. The P85 will now only exist in the second hand market and can not be purchased as new, kind of like when a new 2014 HDTV is released and then pulled off the shelves and replaced with a newer/better model. This is exactly why HDTV's depreciate extremely quick. You can also look at it like the P85 is the iPhone 5S and the P85D is the 6. The Model S is great, but it has the same sentiment as most other technological gadgets out there, especially the way Elon goes about hyping the "newer, better" versions.
At the end of the day the P85 is a great car, and will always be- but it is disappointing it was retired so early on in it's life.
Just the other day a guy was walking out of Albertsons as my wife and I were loading groceries and he said "Nice car.. I love those. Is that the one that can drive itself?" I replied "No, my car was built right before the autopilot stuff was announced" and his reply- "Yep, I read that the newer cars are coming with those features" Awesome.. here I was sitting with my "brand new" P85, no license plate yet, and some guy referred to the self-driving cars as "newer" and in his mind I had the older one. This is a great example of how these features are being marketed and hyped making potential Tesla buyers and the general public thinking of the Model S like a smartphone- when new features come out, the previous version is "old".
I guess you'll have to sell the car and buy the P85D then. I have a very different understanding of the word obsolete. My car still works and could still find a buyer if I wanted to sell it. Sure I'll get less money now with the P85D and autopilot sensors out but it's not obsolete.
There are some steam powered collector's cars that fit that definition. They're still obsolete though.I have a very different understanding of the word obsolete. My car still works and could still find a buyer if I wanted to sell it.
When did he make these statements? Source?
You can always buy a car off lease, and sell it -- and SOME leasing agreements allow you to use a site like leasetrader to give the lease to someone else who prefers it.He can't, he leased.
True story: Last night at a middle school science event I talked with two 11 yo girls who wanted to know if my 2011 Leaf was self-driving. They also wanted to know if the license law would be amended to allow an 11 yo to be piloted by a self driving car! A subsequent discussion between us "older drivers" and some of the "future drivers" revealed that most older people didn't think it would happen (can you imagine a 6 yo or a 2 yo being piloted?), while most "future drivers" felt it should happen. I think this is evidence that the "future" generation is already accustomed to rapid technological changes. Bottom line: Yup, your car today is "obsolete" to the next buyer because they can get something "better" new. Get used to it. The automobile is starting to follow the path of the computer.....Just the other day a guy was walking out of Albertsons as my wife and I were loading groceries and he said "Nice car.. I love those. Is that the one that can drive itself?" I replied "No, my car was built right before the autopilot stuff was announced" and his reply- "Yep, I read that the newer cars are coming with those features" Awesome.. here I was sitting with my "brand new" P85, no license plate yet, and some guy referred to the self-driving cars as "newer" and in his mind I had the older one.....
So many drivers have not yet experienced the thrill of an S85 let alone a P85. With the price gap there are likely to be more drivers interested in buying and I suspect that demand is likely to increasingly outstrip supply for used cars.
@reddy the car is "obsolete" only if the future drivers can afford something better new. The vast majority of future drivers will be Model 3 targets based on price range. The used S market will slot in between new Model 3 and new Model S vehicles. At least that is what I suspect is TMC's plan. The gap between a $40K car and a $130K car is otherwise too big. It screams for TMC to introduce another model in between in the future. In the meantime I suspect that P85(+) vehicles will enjoy a niche to themselves.