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Really depends on the shape of what is being towed. A travel trailer is going to require more energy to counter wind resistance than a utility trailer with a load of pavers.What do you think the reduction in range will be while towing say 1500 under max load for each model? Does anyone know what the GCWR is for the Truck?
I really hope they make an Extended cab long bed version without a slant back. Or I will wait for a wrecked one and make it how I want. I'm sure I will find one the first few weeks they are out. Do you think it will come with 4 corner air ride? Like say I want to raise the left front corner and leave the rest at the height they are. Will that be possible?
The bed sidewalls are structural, cutting them would weaken the truck.I can see some people modifying the sides of the bed to remove the slant back of the toneau cover
The bed sidewalls are structural, cutting them would weaken the truck.
I don’t think there is much question that this will definitely NOT be the case. Towing 14k for 500mi would take a battery pack bigger than the whole car don’t you think? As said too many variables in towing. Height and wind resistance, hills etc. A cars rage is easier to Calc because it has known parameters and even in hills the regen going down will be enough to slow the car but with heavy trailer probably won’t, therefore wasted energy using brakes.I wonder if the towing range of the CyberTruck as listed is the max during towing under full load.
TriMotor is 500+
Dual Motor 300+
Single Motor 250+
So would that mean for the Tri Motor that towing 14,000 pounds you will get the 500 miles and if you are not towing you will get the "+" and the same goes for the Dual and Single motor option.
I wonder if the towing range of the CyberTruck as listed is the max during towing under full load.
TriMotor is 500+
Dual Motor 300+
Single Motor 250+
So would that mean for the Tri Motor that towing 14,000 pounds you will get the 500 miles and if you are not towing you will get the "+" and the same goes for the Dual and Single motor option.
Yes, when towing with my X my 17 ft trailer cuts the range by at least 30% at 55mph. I never go over 60mph when towing, but at that speed and if there is rain, or a headwind, or a lot of uphill, my range drops by 50% or more.Really depends on the shape of what is being towed. A travel trailer is going to require more energy to counter wind resistance than a utility trailer with a load of pavers.
Towing with the X reportedly cuts range up to half.
No. The range numbers Tesla has given for the different Cybertruck versions are NOT when towing. They will be much less when towing.I wonder if the towing range of the CyberTruck as listed is the max during towing under full load.
TriMotor is 500+
Dual Motor 300+
Single Motor 250+
So would that mean for the Tri Motor that towing 14,000 pounds you will get the 500 miles and if you are not towing you will get the "+" and the same goes for the Dual and Single motor option.
They have made collapsing trailers that are more aerodynamic for years. Both hard side and soft side, universally called pop ups.RV travel trailers are fairly ridiculous in terms of aerodynamics. In particular the fact that the most volume of material they actually transport is air, which there is plenty of at the destination anyway... ;-) The point is that we need "EV trailers", which collapse to make a compact aerodyamic shape whilst unoccupied or empty, and then expand as much as required to fit whatever you want to transport, or when they're on the camp site. That way you'd save a heap of energy, giving the EV more range whilst towing.
It's time to improve all parts of the transportation industry, and this is a simply consequence of making things more efficient, in that everything that isn't efficient, or cost effective for the task, becomes redundant, and no longer will be in demand. At some point, with FSD, one then has to ask the question if the travel trailer should actually be abandoned for a "EV motorhome", that then drives itself to your destination, and you can either be a passenger on it, or be driven there with your CT. Maybe we should question if trailers should actually be allowed to continue in their current form at all.
As for range I'd also expect half the CT range whilst towing a conventional trailer. And that only at lower cruising speeds.
A 5sqm cross section trailer at 55mph needs about 3x as much kW for aero as it does for rolling, but at 65mph it needs nearly 4x as much kW. So driving slow with a EV and a trailer will be essential.
Yes up here in Alaska the soft sided ones are not “bear resistant” which is another minus. A-liners are hard side pop ups and they are everywhere up here being pulled by Subaru’s and small SUVs. My camper is 4 season rated and all the plumbing is heated and we’ve used it down to the -10’F but it weights a good 15-20% more than most comparable campers it’s size.lol yeah for sure for the RV side of things, haven't seen any pop-up cargo trailers like that though.
But even with the RV pop-ups 99% of them are not solid side walled, meaning they're not 4 season, and can't be heated or cooled in summer efficiently. The easiest way would be to make shoe box style slide up roofs, that way you can have it fully insulated and have it set to whatever height you need for transporting goods.
Energy Density....
I’ve done the math as well. It takes an additional 400-700 Wh/mi to tow my ~6800 lb black rock 22BHS camper if I keep it under 60mph That is over what it takes to drive without the camper in tow. So if the CT is rated at 500 miles at say ~300 Wh/mi it will take 700-1000 Wh/mi pulling my camper. I’m betting 200 mile usable range between charges out of the tri motor. When I pull the camper with my LX570 I have about 200 miles between fill ups so you are pretty accurate in a range to range comparison. The problem is I have no superchargers within thousands of miles from me but do have gas stations and Jerry cans.He fails to point out that the system efficiency of an F150 is less than 20% (more than 80% of the energy in the gasoline ends up as waste heat; that's why pickups overheat all the time when towing uphill). In reality a 200 kWh pack in the Cybertruck provides roughly the same towing range as 30 gallons of gasoline in an F-150 (even if you run the air-conditioners on high in both vehicles). Be happy to take a wager on that and prove it in two years.
Additionally he assumes you will be pulling a 14,000 lb trailer. I'd like to see the numbers with a normal size trailer, maybe 5,000 lbs.He fails to point out that the system efficiency of an F150 is less than 20% (more than 80% of the energy in the gasoline ends up as waste heat; that's why pickups overheat all the time when towing uphill). In reality a 200 kWh pack in the Cybertruck provides roughly the same towing range as 30 gallons of gasoline in an F-150 (even if you run the air-conditioners on high in both vehicles). Be happy to take a wager on that and prove it in two years.