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Tracking P85D delivery thread
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FWIW, a few notes from my test Drive of the D in Tampa.
1.) Keep your head against the headrest when first punching the accelerator. No joke, the G force was so high that I aborted my first attempt as I felt like I was passing out. And keep in mind I own a Murcielago, and have owned Ferraris, Turbo Porsches, and have raced Indy Light cars and Formula Fords on tracks. So pulling G's is not a new experience for me. But nothing like this. Much better in subsequent attempts with my head against the headrest. Now about getting a HANS Device for my daily commute
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2.) The car I test drove had black New-Generation seats in front. He told me the seats in the back will be the same as the old seats on all the D's, just the ones in front are different. He also told me that all the cars are going to come with the Next Generation seats if ordered. So basically, I don't know if he hasn't been informed, or if the cars will really have the next-gen seats here, or whatever. Impossible to know who to believe at this point.
3.) Despite multiple phone calls and e-mails to my DS, the computer had the date I told him I did not want to pick up the car as my delivery date. So that's still being ignored. The salesman told me he'd call my DS tomorrow.
4.) All the cars ordered down here were all in the same status stuck at the end of the assembly line in the "Burn-in" stage. One or two listed as end-of-line repairs.
5.) The local salesman was expecting a huge number of cars to be delivered at the end of the month.
6.) The frunk really is much smaller than on the normal S. Smaller than even the picture makes it look. Oh well.
7.) The speed limit detection was working. Pretty cool, actually.
8.) The salesman couldn't have been nicer or more helpful. First good experience with the company in a while.
1.) Keep your head against the headrest when first punching the accelerator. No joke, the G force was so high that I aborted my first attempt as I felt like I was passing out. And keep in mind I own a Murcielago, and have owned Ferraris, Turbo Porsches, and have raced Indy Light cars and Formula Fords on tracks. So pulling G's is not a new experience for me. But nothing like this. Much better in subsequent attempts with my head against the headrest. Now about getting a HANS Device for my daily commute
...2.) The car I test drove had black New-Generation seats in front. He told me the seats in the back will be the same as the old seats on all the D's, just the ones in front are different. He also told me that all the cars are going to come with the Next Generation seats if ordered. So basically, I don't know if he hasn't been informed, or if the cars will really have the next-gen seats here, or whatever. Impossible to know who to believe at this point.
3.) Despite multiple phone calls and e-mails to my DS, the computer had the date I told him I did not want to pick up the car as my delivery date. So that's still being ignored. The salesman told me he'd call my DS tomorrow.
4.) All the cars ordered down here were all in the same status stuck at the end of the assembly line in the "Burn-in" stage. One or two listed as end-of-line repairs.
5.) The local salesman was expecting a huge number of cars to be delivered at the end of the month.
6.) The frunk really is much smaller than on the normal S. Smaller than even the picture makes it look. Oh well.
7.) The speed limit detection was working. Pretty cool, actually.
8.) The salesman couldn't have been nicer or more helpful. First good experience with the company in a while.
Which is really irritating, btw. Who cares what the motor is capable of on the bench? What matters is what it can do in the car. This would be like the rest of the auto industry switching back to SAE gross horsepower ratings.
The picture of the next-generation rear seats in the Design Studio seems to contradict this statement. No?
Jaff
Active Member
Good point Bill, I seem to recall that as well now that you brought it up...agree with you completely about more regen...I always wished our old Sig had stronger regeneration like the Roadster...
I'm gonna go with "he is misinformed" since many of us have already been told we won't get the NG seats with initial delivery and we already know of deliveries where NG seats were ordered and expected and the car came with the regular premium seats (MarcG is example no. 1).
Additionally, if the back seats are the same then Tesla is misrepresenting it in the pictures they show on the website.
Mike
dortor4ev
Member
car has been delivered - it's awesome - super fast - handles good - good brakes - very refined vs. my 2013 P85
initial impressions having driving a P85 for 26,000 miles
1. steering is ever so slightly heavier feeling - not adustable any more
2. the acceleration is "Insane" - it's awesome
3. car handles like a dream
4. Battery was a "E" version battery
5. VIN is a 2014 model year
6. The standard seats that are my temporary interior are better than the performance sport seats from my 2013 P85
7. speed limit sign reading works pretty well - nice display on the dash
8. the frunk is quite a bit smaller than you would expect -more space gone than just the microwave cubby
9. the car is responsive, fast, and comfortable, ever so slightly more stiff for the ride quality
10. car came with Michelin Pilot Sports - 265's on the back and 245's on the front
11. sun visors are better
12. charger port can be opened manually now - and open closed via controls inside the car
13. rear deck lid opens and closes more quietly
14. parking distance is pretty good nice subtle display
overall it's an awesome sedan -anyone receiving one will be very very happy - just take delivery with the normal seats and let Tesla install the new seats when they get them.
initial impressions having driving a P85 for 26,000 miles
1. steering is ever so slightly heavier feeling - not adustable any more
2. the acceleration is "Insane" - it's awesome
3. car handles like a dream
4. Battery was a "E" version battery
5. VIN is a 2014 model year
6. The standard seats that are my temporary interior are better than the performance sport seats from my 2013 P85
7. speed limit sign reading works pretty well - nice display on the dash
8. the frunk is quite a bit smaller than you would expect -more space gone than just the microwave cubby
9. the car is responsive, fast, and comfortable, ever so slightly more stiff for the ride quality
10. car came with Michelin Pilot Sports - 265's on the back and 245's on the front
11. sun visors are better
12. charger port can be opened manually now - and open closed via controls inside the car
13. rear deck lid opens and closes more quietly
14. parking distance is pretty good nice subtle display
overall it's an awesome sedan -anyone receiving one will be very very happy - just take delivery with the normal seats and let Tesla install the new seats when they get them.
Finally some news (I'm one of the "black holed folks"): DS called and made appt for 12/17.
Let's hope it holds this time (it's my 3rd date... maybe "third time's a charm!")
I forgot to ask her about NG seats, but she didn't mention anything to me about the car not having the parts I ordered. I guess I'll find out on Wednesday.
-- Greg
Let's hope it holds this time (it's my 3rd date... maybe "third time's a charm!")
I forgot to ask her about NG seats, but she didn't mention anything to me about the car not having the parts I ordered. I guess I'll find out on Wednesday.
-- Greg
Ours is still production even though it was born first?!!! Ok I had a quick temper tantrum and now feel better. With luck ours is on the truck as well. It is terrific to know that Chicago deliveries are starting.
Congrats. And I gotta say I'm feeling a little bit less anxious knowing that some of these cars are actually being placed into owners' hands!
Mike
3s-a-charm
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That's where I got my name... 3s-a-charm!
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Great to hear and congrats!
When you get a moment, can you post photos of your interior? Did you get grey seats as your temporary seats? Thank you!
lolachampcar
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Off topic but the HP discussion has me perturbed.
Electric HP != ICE HP
HP numbers are for couch racing. How does the car perform is a more accurate and useful concept. I think the 3.1 number speaks for itself.
I like to see the press that Tesla generates with having almost 700 hp in motors but, in the end analysis, it is only press and only there to entice non-Tesla enthusiasts to drive the car.
In short, I do not have a problem with any of it as long as the car delivers (which, by all accounts, it does).
Electric HP != ICE HP
HP numbers are for couch racing. How does the car perform is a more accurate and useful concept. I think the 3.1 number speaks for itself.
I like to see the press that Tesla generates with having almost 700 hp in motors but, in the end analysis, it is only press and only there to entice non-Tesla enthusiasts to drive the car.
In short, I do not have a problem with any of it as long as the car delivers (which, by all accounts, it does).
I've been lurking on this thread (and the others related to P85D delivery) for the last few weeks. I have just learned from my DS that my P85D was loaded at Fremont today and will be at the Seattle DC on Tuesday (and ready for delivery on Wednesday, which I intend to do after work). Interestingly, he pointed out that mine DOES have Next Gen front seats but that (for now) the rears are older generation and will be swapped out (no timeline given). My interior is black, FWIW. He also can't confirm the heated steering wheel until the car gets to the Seattle DC, so I'll just have to wait and see (very much in the nice to have category for me).
So, progress for sure and I'm getting excited for Wednesday evening! I've updated the spreadsheet as well.
So, progress for sure and I'm getting excited for Wednesday evening! I've updated the spreadsheet as well.
That would explain what I test drove today. The sales rep may not have realized that the rear seats will be swapped out to the next gen ones at a later date.
lolachampcar
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dortor4ev
Member
Why doesn't ICE hp = EV hp? You mean because the area under the torque "curve" is so much greater?
Regardless of whether the Tesla's hp numbers can be usefully compared to an ICE vehicle (I actually think they can), what confuses/bothers me is trying to compare one Tesla to another.
When the Model S debuted, you had different power figures for the 60, 85, and P85--which appeared to reflect reality, at least from the performance measures I've seen.
Now, the 60 and 85 are rated as having the same output. Since the 60 is a couple of hundred pounds lighter, it should be faster, right? But presumably it's not, because (again presumably)* the 85 and 60 really *don't* have the same power output, since the 85's pack has a higher voltage than the 60's.
If you are deep in the weeds on EV tech, you may understand this; you may even think it's as obvious as the nose on your face. But for someone not steeped in the ins and outs of EV engineering, when the spec sheet says Car A has 380 hp and Car B also has 380 hp, they are quite reasonably going to assume they have the same power.
I suppose you can say, well, who cares how much power either car makes so long as they perform? But that argument proves too much; you might as well just get rid of spec sheets entirely at that point.
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*I'm assuming, as most people seem to, that Tesla didn't make an actual engineering change that leveled the real world output of the 60 and 85. Maybe they did.
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