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I don’t mean to be flippant but the truth is that none of has much idea at all what the source is of the commodities we use every day. All you can do is consume a bit less of everything."Whatever device I wrote on" doesn't contain hundreds of kilograms of nickel.
The fact that Tesla uses primarily North American sourcing for most of its raw materials has always been a big selling point. And it most certainly matters given the sheer scale of how much material goes into an EV battery pack (vs, say, a cell phone battery). It's not okay to just throw up your hands and say, "Oh, but everybody does it". No. You call out the worst sourcing of materials, and you try to avoid the manufacturers who use them.
And yes, different manufacturers - including of cell phones and laptops - do have various sourcing guidelines. For example, several years ago, most of the big western brand names established policies binding on their suppliers to weed out artisinal cobalt from their supply streams. What matters is if customers know about and care about where the raw materials come from. And the answer to that is absolutely calling out when companies use problematic sources.
"concerned" is an interesting word. I think it should be higher than it is, but that's market irrationality and short manipulation. I would like it to be higher, but not if it compromises the mission. I can wait.Yes, that is months away. I'm cool w/ that. But there are some here, I thought you were one, who seem concerned about nearer term SP.
In dollars, but not as a percentage of the company value (which is about 20 times bigger for AMZN).per FINRA, today's trading had the smallest percentage of short sales in at least a month.
Was still the most highly shorted tech stock today except for AMZN
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Leverage is scary.It's hard to stay leveraged in TSLA right now with the Nasdaq so iffy. There seems to be a lot of market downside risk remaining with not a lot of upside support. Problem is, I rode this latest dip down with a lot of leverage and I do not want to risk being out when it climbs.
I'm calling it -- we're in either a "bear market" or a "correction" (technically you can't tell which until you know how long it lasts). You name a sector, it's dropping.However, if the market drops a lot further, TSLA will almost certainly not hold around the $250 support level. Decisions, decisions...
Is anyone very confident that the market isn't going down further?
If you factor in dividends and currency changes, it looks roughly like this:
-14% Toyota
-22% BMW
-23% Honda
-26% Tesla
-26% GM
-27% VW
-30% Ford
-32% Daimler
Double agreed with KarenRei and Fact Checking -- I've given this argument before (years ago!) for why it's better to hold TSLA through a recession than, say, Bank of America or Toyota.Yeah, agreed, I tried to make a similar point in this comment: "EV sales could also have additional levels of recession resistance: the segment is so supply limited to such extreme levels that it might be able to weather a moderate non-financial and non-housing recession without much of a drop in sales."
But it highly depends on the type of recession and how it affects the competition. Some types of recessions will hit ICE new car sales hard - and there the differential growth Tesla would be able to show could be quite impressive.
Leverage is scary.
I'm calling it -- we're in either a "bear market" or a "correction" (technically you can't tell which until you know how long it lasts). You name a sector, it's dropping.
I'm comfortable with my positioning. Tesla as a company is going to increase sales and profitability even in a bear market. My other investments are mostly sound companies which will increase sales and profitability in a bear market. The exception is a cash merger arb trade, and if that goes through I'll have cash to invest when the bear market ends. I don't have a lot of "generic" market exposure, and this is why I don't: I don't want to be in randomized stocks in a bear market. According to some studies, stock pickers often beat indices in bear markets.
Am I wearing rose tinted glasses or is sentiment turning around lately?
My point was that if there are "more shares around" then there have to have been trades. Ie - You can't have more shares without more trades. But you can have more trades without more shares, as you stated.
400,000 cars produced yearly (S3XY’s and a few more semi’s for good measure) at this location by 2222 might do the trick.From your article:
"This is somewhat of a historic venture as Tesla is attempting to build the first auto factory in China that is wholly owned by a foreign automaker."
Seriously, how many "firsts" and "bests" and "mosts" and "safests" and "fastests" does Tesla need to rack up to persuade public market sentiment?
Apparently a few more...
The more comments I read from you, the more I feel that you don't have a full understanding of how stocks are traded and what the actual results are.
MP3Mike's illustration was perfect. The shorts only give the impression of there being more shares available to trade than there really are. And it's done with support of the long shareholders (either complicit or illicit through the brokers who manage their accounts).
Stock price goes up or down with the market sentiment and is dependent on people actually executing trades that they agree to. If every seller (long trying to sell high or short trying to open a position) had a sell order of $500 and every buyer (long trying to add to their position or short trying to cover) had a buy order of $250, there would be ZERO trades despite how many millions of shares available.
Edit: One other response to your earlier question. Shares aren't created from trading. They're "created" (to overuse your term) from borrowing/lending. A trade happens after they've been borrowed (unless it's NAKED shorting where there's a trade done without any actual shares being borrowed in which case the buyer might not end up with any actual shares either! - that's why naked shorting is illegal).
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I only responded to Oil4AsphaultOnly. Had given up the issue long before that.@dqd88 you are mercilessly beating a horse that’s been dead for at least a day now. Start a thread about it. John, Nancy, Bob, Bill their donuts Acme Corp all of them will join you over there. This has taken far too much of this thread.
Q3 earnings will be this Wednesday, October 24th!! Tesla Announces Date for Third Quarter 2018 Financial Results and Webcast | Tesla, Inc.