Could be getting some juice from CNBC now announcing twice that Chanos will be on tomorrow a.m. talking about Tesla (among other things).
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Todd Burch
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Last few days have been interesting:
Standard mandatory dip at the start of the day, followed by a massive buy.
Then capped by shorts and dropped down low for most of the rest of the day.
Then big buying toward the end of the day to bring price back up. Seems to be happening again today.
Theories as to what's going on here?
Standard mandatory dip at the start of the day, followed by a massive buy.
Then capped by shorts and dropped down low for most of the rest of the day.
Then big buying toward the end of the day to bring price back up. Seems to be happening again today.
Theories as to what's going on here?
I don't like to make predictions about this stock moving up because it never does when I believe it should.
I just want to say that the 38 million shares that are currently shorted is incredible. This is one of the most important events to happen to Tesla' stock in the past 5 years. This may be the single most important number relating to this company at the moment.
The idea that 38 million shares have been borrowed and sold, to cult members who never let them go, should truly scare every short seller out there. The war truly has begun.
Tesla's stock is not the same stock it was before this jump in short interest. Consider this a new phase of Tesla's stock...$250 to $300 to $280 is the start of something. Whether it continues to go down, I don't know, but this is NOT the same stock it was just a month ago.
$190 doesn't mean anything. $390 doesn't mean anything. Nothing from the past matters. This is new territory.
I just want to say that the 38 million shares that are currently shorted is incredible. This is one of the most important events to happen to Tesla' stock in the past 5 years. This may be the single most important number relating to this company at the moment.
The idea that 38 million shares have been borrowed and sold, to cult members who never let them go, should truly scare every short seller out there. The war truly has begun.
Tesla's stock is not the same stock it was before this jump in short interest. Consider this a new phase of Tesla's stock...$250 to $300 to $280 is the start of something. Whether it continues to go down, I don't know, but this is NOT the same stock it was just a month ago.
$190 doesn't mean anything. $390 doesn't mean anything. Nothing from the past matters. This is new territory.
Waiting4M3
Active Member
The 38m shares short was dated 4/13.
On 4/17 you thought the stock has no fight left in it.
So is this 180 degree change is based on your hearing about the shorted shares increase, and nothing actually related to anything Tesla did
On 4/17 you thought the stock has no fight left in it.
So is this 180 degree change is based on your hearing about the shorted shares increase, and nothing actually related to anything Tesla did
May I suggest forming an investment strategy based on actual performance of the company? and sticking to it?
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The amount of shares being shorted increasing that much in a small period of time changes my entire attitude.
It may not make sense to you, but short interest is one of the most important parts of my investment thesis with Tesla.
It may not make sense to you, but short interest is one of the most important parts of my investment thesis with Tesla.
Todd Burch
14-Year Member
Waiting4M3
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With the volume so low, I wonder if both sides are playing a waiting game given that ER is < 1wk away. Longs are waiting for another short-fueled fire sale before buying, and shorts are waiting for stupid longs to pile in and drive the price higher before they short again.
Sure. The market will accept it as soon as Tesla delivers it. Given the frequency with which Tesla has missed previous its own guidance over the years, 'reaffirming' is not sufficient.
So, if in February 2019, Tesla reports its second consecutive quarterly profit, that's when the market 'has to' accept it. Until then...
Waiting4M3
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What would you accept as proof of market accepting it? $400/sh? Would you care to draw a line in the sand and say no $400 until Feb 2019?
I picked up two more shares today at 279.50 and 280. I think I’m going to sit tight and wait for earnings (unless the shorts make a move that compels me to buy more).
Well, I'm certainly not smart enough to predict these things with 100% reliability, but in general I think that's about right. If Tesla delivers two profitable quarters in a row (or alternatively a really strong GAAP profit in Q3 alone), I think that's what gets the stock to $400 and beyond.
Jonathan Hewitt
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I know correlation is not causation but maybe shorts do in fact believe the more Model 3s Tesla makes the quicker they go BK...Amazing!
Thanks Ihor!
https://s3partners.net/Research/TSLA12.php
Thanks Ihor!
https://s3partners.net/Research/TSLA12.php
Chickenlittle
Banned
That chart is mind-bending.
FWIW, I don't really buy Ihor's explanation. A rational short would have shorted more when SP was high and production was really struggling, not doubled down a few weeks later when production was increasing and SP was low.
I do think the chart is consistent with short sellers trying to keep a lid on the SP to keep it from spiraling upward as Tesla turned the corner on production.
Whatever the motivation, it's a dangerous game for them.
It is like they live in a parallel universe. Tesla is going to crank out those Model 3s as fast as they can, as per the plan. We will see who lives in reality and who doesn't in a few months.
N5329K
Active Member
Churn, churn, churn. Like the Soviets used to say, Behind every inefficiency lies a career.
Could it be that behind every twitch in the market lies a commission?
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