I was trying to work out who you were referring to, SpaceCash. Then realised I had already ignored said person whom I identified as a waste of bandwidth, time and suchlike a while back.
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I guess some folks do what they have to, or maybe they've got 1000's of shares, but I'd never sell any just to buy a Tesla - regardless of how much I may want the car, it's a poor investment. I'd beg, borrow or steal the money for the car instead.
As it happens, I buy my Teslas through my company on a lease, then have the option to buy them after 4 years for 16% of the original purchase price. I the case of my SP85 to XP100D transition, Tesla offered me such a good trade-in deal that it was worth to terminate my lease early, pay it off and re-lease the X - I got €30k money back out of that deal, which because an initial-payment for the new car, dropping the monthly cost to a couple of 100 € more than the S.
When the time comes, I plan to take the same route for my R2.
As it happens, I buy my Teslas through my company on a lease, then have the option to buy them after 4 years for 16% of the original purchase price. I the case of my SP85 to XP100D transition, Tesla offered me such a good trade-in deal that it was worth to terminate my lease early, pay it off and re-lease the X - I got €30k money back out of that deal, which because an initial-payment for the new car, dropping the monthly cost to a couple of 100 € more than the S.
When the time comes, I plan to take the same route for my R2.
nwdiver
Well-Known Member
No shorts? No more improvements? So.... basically ~$385 cap if reality was different?
Thought that ******* had been banned for life, time to update my ignore list...
Artful Dodger
"Neko no me"
One of your several mistakes is to ignore half of humanity.
Looks like a solid 2-star crash safety rating to me.
The similarities between Tesla and Apple more and more obvious:
Vertical
integration similarities (Source: ARK Investment Management)
Tesla — "Apple Of Cars" — Entering Its Golden Age | CleanTechnica
Tesla Through the Lens of Apple - ARK Investment Management
ARK invest made some very valid and strong points and I like them pointing out that Apple was as Tesla near bankruptcy too.
Also it needs to be pointed out as you see in the graph that Apple did and does contract manufacturing only whereby Tesla has its own facilities build for good reasons. One reason is there was no other choice for Tesla.
The cost to build those plants have created the $12bn long term debt that are often criticized. IOW the debt is invested CapEx you don't have to pay any more for unlike Apple pays for contract manufacturing every single day. That will help with margin and profits more than it does for Apple where this is a longterm running cost element.
The caveat is the cost of debt or tied up capital interest of Tesla that weight on the balance sheet but this is looking at the tremendous cash Tesla will produce from now on every quarter no issue and a rather short term challenge even with new GFs to be build.
I could not agree more to the analogy and the bright future ahead for Tesla.
Verticalintegration similarities (Source: ARK Investment Management)
Tesla — "Apple Of Cars" — Entering Its Golden Age | CleanTechnica
Tesla Through the Lens of Apple - ARK Investment Management
ARK invest made some very valid and strong points and I like them pointing out that Apple was as Tesla near bankruptcy too.
Also it needs to be pointed out as you see in the graph that Apple did and does contract manufacturing only whereby Tesla has its own facilities build for good reasons. One reason is there was no other choice for Tesla.
The cost to build those plants have created the $12bn long term debt that are often criticized. IOW the debt is invested CapEx you don't have to pay any more for unlike Apple pays for contract manufacturing every single day. That will help with margin and profits more than it does for Apple where this is a longterm running cost element.
The caveat is the cost of debt or tied up capital interest of Tesla that weight on the balance sheet but this is looking at the tremendous cash Tesla will produce from now on every quarter no issue and a rather short term challenge even with new GFs to be build.
I could not agree more to the analogy and the bright future ahead for Tesla.
HG Wells
Martian Embassy
SpaceCash:
This is getting dangerously close to revealing my Intellectual property.
If this continues, I will be forced to make sure your grandparents never meet.
A scholarship to an out of state college should do the trick.
Yours Truly
HG Wells
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Electric cars are not only very quiet, they also drive exhaust-free. What at first glance looks like a pleasant step forward is a problem for more and more pedestrians dealing with music and smartphones in everyday life. Now comes the exhaust gas generator in Europe.
Electric cars are environmentally friendly and at best make a soft sound as they pass passers-by. However, this is a dangerous problem for pedestrians who are concentrating on their smartphone or protecting their ears from the environment with headphones. Electric cars are hard to hear and do not smell at all. It lacks the characteristic chemical compounds and particulate matter that emits an internal combustion engine. However, music lovers and smartphone addicts depend on these exhaust gases when they are traveling in public. A car is perceived by them primarily by exhaust gases.
The authorities have taken account of this problem. From 1 January 2020, all new electric models in Europe will have to be equipped with an Olfactoric Vehicle Alerting System (Ovas). An artificial engine noise obligation is known to be effective as of July 1, 2019, but according to experts, will not be sufficient.
An advanced solution at eye level
This is how the system works: An exhaust gas generator generates emissions similar to engines in the car and blows them on the face of deliberately careless pedestrians when you enter the danger zone of a moving or moving electric car in a parking lot or on the pavement.
Sophisticated direction-controlled
Unlike conventional vehicles with exhaust pipes at the bottom, the new Stank Alert has at least eight face-to-face exhaust valves mounted for targeted pedestrian alerting around the car.
In contrast to the batteries of electric cars, which must be recharged after 500 kilometers at the latest, the exhaust gas generators - quite comparable to conventional cars - only every 800 to 1000 kilometers with the so-called AdSmell be fueled, a mixture of nitrogen oxide, sulfur compounds and fine dust particles.
Cheating is not allowed
The automotive industry welcomes the new regulation by a majority. However, consumer advocates have already announced that they want to check very carefully whether the electric cars with exhaust gas generators will actually produce the required minimum exhaust gas quantities in real operation and not only thanks to cheating software on the chassis dynamometer.
Elektroautos müssen ab 2020 künstlich Abgase erzeugen
Electric cars are environmentally friendly and at best make a soft sound as they pass passers-by. However, this is a dangerous problem for pedestrians who are concentrating on their smartphone or protecting their ears from the environment with headphones. Electric cars are hard to hear and do not smell at all. It lacks the characteristic chemical compounds and particulate matter that emits an internal combustion engine. However, music lovers and smartphone addicts depend on these exhaust gases when they are traveling in public. A car is perceived by them primarily by exhaust gases.
The authorities have taken account of this problem. From 1 January 2020, all new electric models in Europe will have to be equipped with an Olfactoric Vehicle Alerting System (Ovas). An artificial engine noise obligation is known to be effective as of July 1, 2019, but according to experts, will not be sufficient.
An advanced solution at eye level
This is how the system works: An exhaust gas generator generates emissions similar to engines in the car and blows them on the face of deliberately careless pedestrians when you enter the danger zone of a moving or moving electric car in a parking lot or on the pavement.
Sophisticated direction-controlled
Unlike conventional vehicles with exhaust pipes at the bottom, the new Stank Alert has at least eight face-to-face exhaust valves mounted for targeted pedestrian alerting around the car.
In contrast to the batteries of electric cars, which must be recharged after 500 kilometers at the latest, the exhaust gas generators - quite comparable to conventional cars - only every 800 to 1000 kilometers with the so-called AdSmell be fueled, a mixture of nitrogen oxide, sulfur compounds and fine dust particles.
Cheating is not allowed
The automotive industry welcomes the new regulation by a majority. However, consumer advocates have already announced that they want to check very carefully whether the electric cars with exhaust gas generators will actually produce the required minimum exhaust gas quantities in real operation and not only thanks to cheating software on the chassis dynamometer.
Elektroautos müssen ab 2020 künstlich Abgase erzeugen
Krugerrand
Meow
That’s about as oversimplified as one can get about life.
Hogfighter
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Everyone, take your political discussions to Facebook.
In addition, the energy stored is the product of their mass & rotational speed. Thus, for significant energy storage, they need to be either rather heavy, have very high RPM, or if enough storage is required, both.
A massive flywheel spinning at very high RPM has a very real chance of disintegrating due to internal failure, or vehicle accident. A several hundred Kg flywheel coming apart at 50K RPM will be like detonating a bomb. This is why a "carbon nanotube" structure is mentioned... in order to deal with the immense centrifugal forces generated.
In order to deal with that danger, it's necessary to also have a containment structure capable of dealing with failure. That adds to mass and bulk.
Also, you'd likely need magnetic bearings, as regular bearings can sap a significant amount of a flywheel's energy potential in a rather short period of time.
Cool in that another manufacturer is dipping their toe in the water.
However: weirdmobile.
I think you meant crony-capitalism.
The giant flywheel in the 50's incarnation of your device was way cool by the way...
Wouldn't we need to deal with the 3rd axis of motion as well?
Words of HABIT
Active Member
At $23,000 I was expecting...well...doors for starters, seriously!
15KWH battery, 82 horses, 100mi. range, 0-62 mi. in 13 seconds.
Sorry, there is nothing cool about this EV.
Now let's see what VW can do for $23,000.
That concept looks like everything the critics said electric cars would be... I find the various electric scooters and so forth interesting but can't imagine a market for such a highly compromised vehicle at that price point.
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