I disagree. So far one person has made a video which claims to show AP working on a private parking lot without lane markings but it hasn’t been verified by anyone. I cannot replicate his video. I encourage you to try. it.
-
Want to remove ads? Register an account and login to see fewer ads, and become a Supporting Member to remove almost all ads.
[UPDATED] 2 die in Tesla crash - NHTSA reports driver seat occupied
- Thread starter diplomat33
- Start date
I disagree. So far one person has made a video which claims to show AP working on a private parking lot without lane markings but it hasn’t been verified by anyone. I cannot replicate his video. I encourage you to try. it.
mtndrew1
Active Member
I just can’t digest that two educated adults who knew the limits of autopilot to the degree that they understood exactly what kind of bonkers ninja Indiana Jones maneuvers would be required to even attempt such a thing would do so.
But let’s assume that against all odds these guys got this to work (it would probably take a dozen attempts to pull it off). After doing so, they were able to trick autopilot to accelerate aggressively and ignore obstacles. And THEN autopilot drove so fast on a residential street that it exceeded the +5 MPH limit within a few hundred yards and caused one of the safest, heaviest cars on the planet to burst into flames. And THEN! nobody could get out of the car.
There’s something missing from this story.
1) autopilot was almost certainly not involved, FSD was not purchased for this car and it was not in the beta program.
2) someone was almost certainly in the driver seat at the time of the crash
3) the extremely definitive statements that the car left the house with the driver in the back seat and that nobody was driving the car at the time of the crash are fishy as hell. We all know that this is effectively impossible.
But let’s assume that against all odds these guys got this to work (it would probably take a dozen attempts to pull it off). After doing so, they were able to trick autopilot to accelerate aggressively and ignore obstacles. And THEN autopilot drove so fast on a residential street that it exceeded the +5 MPH limit within a few hundred yards and caused one of the safest, heaviest cars on the planet to burst into flames. And THEN! nobody could get out of the car.
There’s something missing from this story.
1) autopilot was almost certainly not involved, FSD was not purchased for this car and it was not in the beta program.
2) someone was almost certainly in the driver seat at the time of the crash
3) the extremely definitive statements that the car left the house with the driver in the back seat and that nobody was driving the car at the time of the crash are fishy as hell. We all know that this is effectively impossible.
So according to that video from the UK, all it takes is a few white lines down the center of the road and you can enable AP on any road. Also on Dirty Tesla's video if there are a couple of white lines beside you, you can enable AP.
After you have enabled AP it will stay active regardless of the road conditions.
If the Texas car didn't have FSD then it wouldn't autosteer though. Perhaps that's why it crashed?
Well rather than the implied results:
that video has 8 or 9 activations which show that lane lines are required. (not many stripes, but it must have stripes)
Sorry I meant to say without FSD it wouldn't stop without Traffic and Stop Sign Control.
bobby g
Member
Then the seat belt would not burn up in the buckled position about which we have no info. We're all blowing smoke based upon how little actual facts that we have. I'm not inclined to grieve stupid but this is a big puzzler at the moment
I've tried my TACC/AP. Their acceleration is rather lethargic. The fastest acceleration I could get was about 1.9 m/s^2 (down a small hill). This means 11.33 seconds to travel 400 ft (from distance = 0.5*(acceleration)*(time)^2) and then the speed after 400 ft will be 21.5 m/s (from (velocity)=(acceleration)*(time)) that is 48 mph. Again, this is an idealized case for M3, and I have no idea about MS. Also the car must be driving at about 7 mph (I guess 10 km/h) to turn on TACC/AP. Practically, I think I couldn't even get above 30 mph on a 400 ft stretch using the Autopilot from 7 mph.
yeh... what are you going to tell them? I have one more Tesla to try?
Based on what I saw from the other three well publicized Tesla accidents in the past where AP was examined (2 semi trailers and 1 hwy barrier), I expect the preliminary report will take months with a final report and recommendations to come months after that. Also expect they will “gag” Elon/Tesla from giving out any more information from logs. Prepare for a long wait while they do their investigation and speculation and rationalizing will continue and die off after a while.
Tam
Well-Known Member
"With respect to the fire fight, unfortunately, those rumors grew way out of control. It did not take us four hours to put out the blaze. Our guys got there and put down the fire within two to three minutes, enough to see the vehicle had occupants. After that, it was simply cooling the car as the batteries continued to have a chain reaction due to damage."
TX fire chief slams inaccurate Tesla crash coverage with firsthand details on Model S fire
Immediately following the fatal Tesla crash in Texas this weekend, reports from both local and national media outlets emerged citing the statements of Harris County Pct. 4 Constable Mark Herman, who remarked that police were 100% certain that there was no one in the driver seat of the ill-fated...
www.teslarati.com
The problem is that nobody hesitated to call this accident an Autopilot failure without any investigation. Waiting for investigation to be completed could make some people hesitate to use the Autopilot and increase the odds of accidents and deaths if no corrective information is provided promptly. This is what Elon did, in the interest of public safety he disclosed that preliminary data indicate the Autopilot was not engaged. I believe that public safety is also in the best interest of investigating agencies. Don't you think so?
Silicon Desert
Well-Known Member
yes, isn't it interesting how the stories originally get inflated beyond imagination. Kind of like the "big fish" stories you hear about. You know.... the guy that brags about catching a 300 pound tuna that took 4 hours to reel it in. But when you look in the boat you see a 3 inch minnow that accidentally flopped in the boat. Never underestimate the media to exaggerate things"With respect to the fire fight, unfortunately, those rumors grew way out of control. It did not take us four hours to put out the blaze. Our guys got there and put down the fire within two to three minutes, enough to see the vehicle had occupants. After that, it was simply cooling the car as the batteries continued to have a chain reaction due to damage."
TX fire chief slams inaccurate Tesla crash coverage with firsthand details on Model S fire
Immediately following the fatal Tesla crash in Texas this weekend, reports from both local and national media outlets emerged citing the statements of Harris County Pct. 4 Constable Mark Herman, who remarked that police were 100% certain that there was no one in the driver seat of the ill-fated...
Actually you shoulda read a little more. The fire was put out in 2-3 minutes.
On the subject of AP engaging with "no lines", it can happen but it depends on what you consider a "line". Look at the attached snap from Sergio's video just after he says "this road has NO LINES". What do you call that in the center of the street? You and I know it's not a "painted" line because we are human and we have context: the road is wet and due to the wet road and the seam between sides, there's a reflective "line" in the center of the road. It looks like Sergio cherry picked this situation: wet road with a reflective seam in the middle. If you are looking at that road as an AI and you are doing contrast evaluation, AI could easily interpret that as a lane line. We know AP picks up worn painted lines that have low contrast and this looks very similar.
So can AP be activated on a street with no painted lines? Sometimes. Is it likely to? Probably not in most situations.
Mike
So can AP be activated on a street with no painted lines? Sometimes. Is it likely to? Probably not in most situations.
Mike
Attachments
@Dan D. I was trying to give you a benefit of the doubt regarding not being a fud factory but why are you disagreeing with a news article??"With respect to the fire fight, unfortunately, those rumors grew way out of control. It did not take us four hours to put out the blaze. Our guys got there and put down the fire within two to three minutes, enough to see the vehicle had occupants. After that, it was simply cooling the car as the batteries continued to have a chain reaction due to damage."
TX fire chief slams inaccurate Tesla crash coverage with firsthand details on Model S fire
Immediately following the fatal Tesla crash in Texas this weekend, reports from both local and national media outlets emerged citing the statements of Harris County Pct. 4 Constable Mark Herman, who remarked that police were 100% certain that there was no one in the driver seat of the ill-fated...
Similar threads
