But he isn't talking about discount on a 5-year old vehicle. He it's taking about a discount on a brand new Cybertruck.
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But he isn't talking about discount on a 5-year old vehicle. He it's taking about a discount on a brand new Cybertruck.
Fernand
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When I got my car end 2018, it came with no autopilot, so I paid an extra $5k for Enhanced Autopilot on Hardware 2.5. I've been using NOA on freeways for 2 years. Worth every penny.
Last year I added $3k to get the HW 3.0 and a gradual development of additional automation under the "FSD" label. $8k total for automation features.
I love operating the car in all its modes. I know what mode works best for me, and when. Nothing is forcing or depriving me of anything.
I've never expected, or wanted, the car to go off self-driving to the store for milk. Not any more than you'd put a 787 in autopilot on the tarmac, have all the occupants exit, and wave it goodbye. It's been a great assistant partner on the road, in all its modes, and I'm happy to watch it do more, in more contexts, with every update. More sub-tasks I can delegate. More choices. Reptiles have to manually control body temp, moving in and out of the sun. To each his own.
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Last year I added $3k to get the HW 3.0 and a gradual development of additional automation under the "FSD" label. $8k total for automation features.
I love operating the car in all its modes. I know what mode works best for me, and when. Nothing is forcing or depriving me of anything.
I've never expected, or wanted, the car to go off self-driving to the store for milk. Not any more than you'd put a 787 in autopilot on the tarmac, have all the occupants exit, and wave it goodbye. It's been a great assistant partner on the road, in all its modes, and I'm happy to watch it do more, in more contexts, with every update. More sub-tasks I can delegate. More choices. Reptiles have to manually control body temp, moving in and out of the sun. To each his own.
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The FSD take rate seemed to be higher with the pricier models according to data I've seen posted on sites like Teslike. As of today, for the Model Y, it's about 68% according to their spreadsheet. And one can assume >50% for the S and X. So if these numbers are accurate, how much is the price hike to 10k expected to affect the take rate? You might surprised. I don't think it will make that big a difference on the higher end models. Only for the Model 3 (current take is about 37% according to Teslike)might there be a bigger dip.Tesla knows what they're doing. For the lower end, they have the upcoming subscription model.
IMO, long-term owners who really want FSD, should consider getting it now if finances allow. Sure, there's the upcoming subscription model, but who knows what the price or plan structure might be.
IMO, long-term owners who really want FSD, should consider getting it now if finances allow. Sure, there's the upcoming subscription model, but who knows what the price or plan structure might be.
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Fernand
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FWIW, I think $10k is simply over the line on a $40k car.
Especially for older drivers, for whom greater automation
is a lifeline, a way to extend their independent living.
It has been mentioned here a few times, and it's not a joke.
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Especially for older drivers, for whom greater automation
is a lifeline, a way to extend their independent living.
It has been mentioned here a few times, and it's not a joke.
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to call this ‘full self driving’ is just misinformation. The driver would have a less stressful time and could drive within lower attention by himself. If we look at how many years it’s taken to get to this point my guess is we’re not even half way there yet
jonquiljo
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I suspect that Tesla and all the upcoming EV makers will be coming out with improvement and better features every year at a phenomenal rate. We are just in the beginning of all of this. In 5 years I will bet that the Model 3 (or it's equivalent) will be totally different than what we see today. I bet that lots of people will be trading in their old Teslas to buy new ones and often. They may even go for other brands. My point here is that in even 10 years - a 2020 Model 3 will be a museum piece. We will have EV's on the market that we can only dream of today. I really like my model 3. But to expect that it will be relevant in 10 years is really wishful thinking. That always hasn't been the case.
Flash back to the year 2000 --- people kept cars longer because 2005 or 2010 cars didn't really offer that much more. Well,things are changing.
Cars have never been a "rational" purchase. People will buy FSD now if they can get the money and decide to spend it. It's not a logical decision. With most people there's nothing logical about what they buy or how much they pay. If people want FSD now, then they should buy it (if they can afford it). If you want it - there is some gratification from getting into the technology at the ground floor.
Flash back to the year 2000 --- people kept cars longer because 2005 or 2010 cars didn't really offer that much more. Well,things are changing.
Cars have never been a "rational" purchase. People will buy FSD now if they can get the money and decide to spend it. It's not a logical decision. With most people there's nothing logical about what they buy or how much they pay. If people want FSD now, then they should buy it (if they can afford it). If you want it - there is some gratification from getting into the technology at the ground floor.
Is a chauffer driving a $40k car worth any less than one driving a $80k car?
jonquiljo
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You're right -- $10K is definitely a bit much for an option on a $40K car.
But ... for "us" older drivers (I am 67), automation is not a lifeline. The way all of this is seen legally is that FSD or not, we are driving the car. If we aren't capable of driving anymore, FSD will still be our responsibility. If anything, people using FSD when they shouldn't be on the road will invite further scrutiny into people putting away the keys as they get older. If we hit someone, we can't blame it on FSD. We are still driving the car.
Changing those principles will take a very long time.
Fernand
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We're not talking about people who are e.g. legally half blind or anything so disabling. Or not paying attention. But we all age, and in a technically advanced world, people are wisely taking advantage of better glasses, hearing aids, supporting shoes, walking sticks. Assisted steering. Power brakes. Cruise control. On-screen and speaking GPS. Stop talking about "FSD" as driver replacement. That's fantasy for now. It's part of a continuum that we've all bought into, long, long ago.
A 20 year old might be great in a 1954 Triumph TR2, stick shift, paper maps. And tools to sync up the carburetors on the side of the freeway. For most people over 50 it's not a good fit. And everyone's better off if Dad is driving a car with more assists.
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A 20 year old might be great in a 1954 Triumph TR2, stick shift, paper maps. And tools to sync up the carburetors on the side of the freeway. For most people over 50 it's not a good fit. And everyone's better off if Dad is driving a car with more assists.
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Stills sounds fun to an old TR3 driver in the day.
Full FSD will be required in a few years. They just keep putting more of the bits as
a requirement n the EU. As an ageing driver I see how this expands the life time of driving.
When the car can do 90% of my driving without me, it will be worth the price at the time.
I think a lot of us pushed hard on the price just to get the car. If you have the money it
is a no brainer, if you do not work, well maybe its on the list.
I have decided I will not be buying. Maybe a subscription or when cost come way down. This is currently like anything else new, at first high price and then becomes a commodity. My first lcd monitor was 1000 dollars, now they cost nothing. Radar cruise control was a huge option, now it's almost free. Competition will come in fierce soon.
...it's your money...but consider this...that notion is based on current status....not a long range outlook.
If I recall, thinking that one accident will shut this down....won't happen. Accidents even before this release have already been happening with lower levels of automation....it's just going to be ubiquitous.... As much as I think tesla's are junky quality cars...they are heading in the right direction of the way we get around.
What's truly interesting to see is the flying car development....that will truly be a serious game changer...people will no longer be limited to stay within continents....imagine that....learn from history.
MarsOrBust
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$10,000 would be fine if it was a true autonomous autopilot were you get in it and go without having to baby sit it. This is what Elon has been selling to many for years now. FSD is just around the corner now, “we are just turning the corner”
Don’t get me wrong, I absolutely love my electric car but real FSD is a snake oil salesman making a profit.
Don’t get me wrong, I absolutely love my electric car but real FSD is a snake oil salesman making a profit.
I thought so too until I thought about it last night. I'm fine waiting the extra year or few until it becomes more common place and prices drop.
I get all the arguments pro/con about whether FSD is worth it. Where I get hung up is on the attachment to the VIN, not the owner/account. If the car is totaled that FSD option is lost and unrecoverable. The subscription option would take care of that, but who knows what the terms will be? Will the monthly cost scale along with the perpetual license fee?
I think he mis-spoke or got mis-quoted; pretty sure there will be a $25 car with the _option_ to include FSD; too bad the FSD will cost An additional $30,000 by then
Tied to account would be better and keep people locked in to Tesla. They doing it this way because far less lawsuits when they can't do it and most people have long since sold the cars. People can get mad about that but Tesla is banking on the fact that most people won't have the car long enough to call them on the nonsense. It's impressive from the new beta videos but still years away from being more than an impressive toy that you still have to watch.
I think he mis-spoke or got mis-quoted; pretty sure there will be a $25 car with the _option_ to include FSD; too bad the FSD will cost An additional $30,000 by then
You have a good point, that's why you wait for competition to come in. The other person has a good point about the subscription, are they going to increase it monthly?
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