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Vacationing in Norway with a Model S

Discussion in 'Norway' started by roblab, Sep 4, 2013.

  1. fredag

    fredag Member

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    Avis in Drammen now rents out Model S. 3000NOK (500USD) per day, 200km incl per day. It's not yet on their website.

    There's an airport express train straight from Oslo Airport (Gardermoen, OSL) to Drammen.
     
  2. widodh

    widodh Model S 85 and 100D

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    So I've done some more planning to do this trip in Jan or Feb 2014 with the expectation I'll have the CHAdeMO adapter.. (I know..)

    My Trip on Google Maps

    The part in Germany to Kiel I haven't figured out, but using the CHAdeMO chargers in Norway listed on this map I should be able to come pretty far.

    But how do you pay for these stations in Norway?
     
  3. Mario Kadastik

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    Well I just had a chat with my delivery specialist and also asked when the CHAdeMO adapter will come and she said that it's planned for Q3 2014. So I'd have to say if you want to do the road trip in Jan-Feb it'll have to be 2015 ;)
     
  4. OleJA

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    Do you need the CHAdeMO chargers at all? There are type2 charge spots available in the Oslo area if you have to fill up after leaving the ferry, and I assume Tesla Oslo could help you as well.
    However they are really bysy these days delivering cars. :)
    Then you will easily reach Trondheim using the superchargers along E6. Tesla Trondheim has several available 400V/16A charge spots in the parking garage under their shop, and they are usually very helpfull. There might also be a 60A Roadster -> TMS adapter, and 400V/32A available. From there you will easily do Trondheim - Steinkjer - Trondheim on the same charge.
    Note: Type 2 is still hard to find north of Oslo :-(
     
  5. widodh

    widodh Model S 85 and 100D

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    I need the CHAdeMO North of Trondheim since I can do the rest using the SuperChargers in Norway and the one in the Netherlands.

    I can't use my UMC since the Norwegian UMC works different without the Neutral. So I can only use Type 2 stations in Norway OR CHAdeMO if I have the adapter.

    Still have to find out how to pay for them though.
     
  6. SwedishAdvocate

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    It seems to me that Norway might become a somewhat popular attraction for other European Model S-owners. How about suggesting the following to Tesla Norway:

    They could start to let visiting European Model S owners either borrow or rent a Norwegian UMC. If so, then they'll of course need to set up some sort of accompanying booking system.

    But regardless, since you are an 'R'-owner, and also seems to be a valuable customer given your TMC background and profile, this does not seem like an unreasonable request for your visit. Thus, it doesn't feel that far fetched that they could be able to accommodate you – even if they for some reason don't want to start providing UMCs as described above (though I can't really see why they wouldn't want to...).
     
  7. Laumb

    Laumb smrtass.

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    You can use your EU UMC for 400V red socket charging. That is the same type of electric grid as rest of Europe.
     
  8. widodh

    widodh Model S 85 and 100D

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    Ok, so those sockets aren't without a neutral and 230V 3-phase?
     
  9. Yggdrasill

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    Norway mostly has 230V IT (no neutral) and 400V TN (with neutral). I don't think we have any 400V IT.

    The 400V TN net is distributed almost exclusively on red 400V 5-pin CEE-outlets, in the 16A and 32A variety. (They're sized differently.) As well as higher amp outlets.
     
  10. ItsNotAboutTheMoney

    ItsNotAboutTheMoney Well-Known Member

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    Can I just suggest that if a parking attendant in Norway gave a foreign Model S a ticket it would be a malicious act. I mean, it's a Model S, Superchargers, Norway, EVs, job related to xars, how would they not know? Hell, wherever it's parked it's quite likely to be within sight of another Model S.
     
  11. fredag

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    Red sockets are always 400V TN, same as you've got in NL and DE.

    Approx 25% of Norway has regular European 400V TN service. Including most new business developments like shopping malls.

    The 230V IT three phase sockets which are unique to Norway (and Albania) are blue, looks like blue CEE32 single phase sockets, but has 4 holes.

    Your European UMC will probably work in Norway also for 13A schuko charging. Probably just a tad more unreliable. People have done it before and it has worked.

    The payment options for each charger are listed on the map you quoted, but in Norwegian. You may try to use Google Translate or just ask if you want me to translate for you or check up on anything for you. We have a few major charging networks, like Ishavsveien, Grønn Kontakt, Fortum, Lyse, EV Power, Statoil. Some of these allow roaming on each other's networks. Some use RFID cards, some use SMS payments which may or may not work with foreign phones, and some require you to pay at a cashier's desk before you charge. Really confusing.

    EV-Power, which operates the chademo chargers around Trondheim, have particularily stupid and customer-hostile payment options. They require a monthly subscription for a minimum of one year in order to have access to their chargers, which will total 750 NOK + 100 NOK per charge. I've sent them an email to check if they have something better for tourists.

    http://evpower.no/index.php/produkter/privatkunder

    Ishavsveien offers roaming on EV-Power's infrastructure, but will cost you approx 1000 NOK for 3 months (or for 10 chargings).

    http://www.ishavsveien.no/bli-kunde/priser-vilkar/
     
  12. widodh

    widodh Model S 85 and 100D

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    Great info! It's really dumb though that all the providers (same in NL) try to re-invent the wheel when it comes to payment, since they never seem to think about foreigners taking their EV into a different country..
     
  13. Laumb

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    If you need a National number for use with the charging solutions I can register a prepaid service In my name and provide a loaner-phone for our Tesla-tourists.

    The first one who needs one tell me and all you do is pay for the used kr and a €50 deposit (refundable) for the phone.

    We could meet around Oslo or I could ship it to your hotel.
     
  14. fredag

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    #34 fredag, Dec 5, 2013
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    Norwegians and Danes have the same problem with sms payment on the german RWE chargers.

    I emailed EV-Power, and they answered that they will support SMS payment on the chademo charger in Steinkjer beginning on this monday. They think the sms payment will only work for Norwegian mobile phone numbers. They have had technical problems with sms charging on that particular charger. If there's any problems, call their service phone number.

    Max charging time at the chademo chargers is 45 minutes. If you need more juice after 45 minutes, you need to start a new charging session.

    (They are working on an app which will handle credit card payments. It didn't sound like it would be ready for January/February, though.)

    If you have an unlocked old mobile phone, a prepaid Norwegian SIM-card can be bought at most newspaper kiosks, petrol stations and supermarkets. Or as Laumb says, some of us Tesla enthusiasts in the Oslo area will be happy to borrow you something.

    You should also get hold of a key for the Norwegian slow chargers.

    In order to drive for free through Norwegian road tolls, you need an autopass account/transponder. You can order the transponder at these Esso stations in the Oslo area:

    http://www.fjellinjen.no/Innga-AutoPASS-avtale/Vare-servicestasjoner/

    Or you can order online and get the transponder sent by mail to NL:

    http://www.fjellinjen.no/en/

    Make sure they register it as an electric vehicle. Before you leave, you can return the transponder at the service stations listed to get the deposit for the transponder refunded.
     
  15. Dave46

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    Any updates on renting a Model S in Norway?
    I'm looking for a way to use a Model S for six months! in Norway and other parts of Europe April - Sept 2015. Renting might be an option but if I could buy or lease (then sell) it probably would cost less. I am a US citizen and not an EU resident. Any constructive ideas, suggestions? Thanks.
     
  16. andrewas

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    Hertz got model S for rent. But expensive... I would rather check with Tesla and ask if they will buy it back from you. They have not yet started their buy back program in Norway though.
     
  17. widodh

    widodh Model S 85 and 100D

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    I'm currently in Sweden and I'll drive to Norway using the SuperChargers. I'm heading all the way to Setermoen, which is not a problem.

    I however want to continue towards Tromsø and I found a charger there at the Jekta Storsenter, but how do I activate it?

    Do I need a RFID card or that 'special' key for Norway? I heard rumors that any RFID card works on those chargers?

    This charger: Ladestasjon
     
  18. widodh

    widodh Model S 85 and 100D

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    Via another way I heard that the charger is free to use without any key. Guess I'm going to find out!

    Tromsø, here I come!
     
  19. widodh

    widodh Model S 85 and 100D

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    I am in Oslo for a day and I suggest you don't even try the public charging.

    From what I've seen it's Schuko only and our UMC won't work there.

    There are some 22kW chargers in P-garages, but I only saw Schuko. ImageUploadedByTapatalk1422904002.016803.jpg
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    But the amount of EVs in Oslo is just amazing!
     
  20. andrewas

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    #40 andrewas, Feb 6, 2015
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    I wrote the below in a different thread some time ago. The text is updated and reposted here as it might be found by more:

    The latest SuperCharger additions makes the North cape adventure much easier. There is still a few challenges ahead:

    1.
    Setermoen to Nordkapp (North cape),
    Lofoten islands,
    The coastal road from north of Trondheim towards Lofoten (not the E6 which is also going north on a more inland route).

    All of these stretches are without superchargers - thus you will need to use type2/shuko/red/blue. The distance from Setermoen (current northernmost supercharger) to Nordkapp is too far. A future supercharger seems to come at Skibotn (just 515km left to go to Nordkapp from there) - it is listed for 2016.. Let's hope it arrives before and that Alta, Honningsvåg/Nordkapp. Lakselv and Tana will follow. That would give full supercharger coverage for the top of Norway.

    WHAT YOU NEED TO BRING:
    Bring your type 2 cable (very few places for that in northern Norway - but useful down south),
    Bring adapters (read below to be able to use various red or blue outlets),
    Bring patience for Shuko charging (13A),
    Bring creativity and enthusiasm for asking the natives for help and access to plugs at garages, harbours, ferries, workshops, kitchens, and at the back of grocery stores (where the rubbish compactor usually is located - and connected to a red or blue plug)

    2. The promised ChaDeMo adapter would help as there are many of ChaDeMo chargers around (almost all in the southern half of Norway). If you got one - find your ChaDeMo chargers here: Hurtigladekartet - they are as you can see very few north of Trondheim (one each in Bodø, Sortland and Tromsø) - a few more are coming. PS: Read the info on each charger at hurtigladekartet in advance. Most (all?) ChaDeMo chargers require a membership type card to activate.

    3. Be aware of various schemes for getting access to the type 2 22kW plugs - some are freely accessible=free use, some requires an SMS to be sent to open the lid, some require an RFID card (some just any card=free use, others a specific card=some kind of payment scheme), and some require an old fashioned key (usually free). Find type 2 plugs and how to get access to them here: Hurtigladekartet (tick off for type 2 both "hurtig" and "semihurtig" - many of these will deliver 22kW or more, but some only 11kW)

    4. There are also many slow-charging options. Usually 10, 13 or 16A. Always Shuko. Usually free. In cities and towns on public parking the "municipal parking key" might be required to open the lid to get access to the plug. Check with the public parking company - you should be able to get one for free. At shopping centers, hotels etc.. these would be freely accessible.

    5. High power plug options. You might find all of these:
    - Red 3phase 16A outlet - you need the red adapter for the UMC (Tesla sells these).
    - Red 3 phase 32A outlet - you need a 32A->16A adapter + the above mentioned red adapter for the UMC.
    - Blue 3 phase 16A outlet - you need a 16A adapter to connect to the red adapter for the UMC.
    - Blue 1 phase 16A outlet - you need a 16A adapter to connect to the red adapter for the UMC.
    - Blue 1 phase 32A outlet - you need the blue adapter for the UMC (Tesla sells these).
    Check this page: Adaptersett til Tesla Model S for all kinds of adapters

    Good luck and happy travels!!

    PS: WELCOME TO NORWAY
     

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