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What’s up Elon’s sleeve for AWD and PAWD buyers
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Go back to both my posts and tell me where I said I think that. I simply stated that in normal use you don’t get 310...at which point I was told you do.
Thanks for your attempted lesson but maybe you should start with basic reading comprehension.
Either way we're about a second quicker in a quarter mile, which still feels right for the price segmentation (at least currently). Sure it's probably capable of more and I would be happy for more power for free
I think they should offer a $6k upgrade to AWD owners to make it P fast and start giving $5k Tesla credit or free supercharging to P owners.
AWD on other models is more efficient because of the efficiency gain of switching to FWD while cruising. In the Model 3, the rear motor is a more efficient design than the front motor, which is the same type used in Model S and X. So instead of gaining efficiency, the Model 3 would likely lose efficiency if switched to FWD.
This is all to say that it will not become more efficient. Otherwise, I have no idea what you're asking for in your original post. You just bought your car and you want them to give you something for free because you ordered an AWD? You already got something extra- a front motor. What more do you want and what are you willing to pay for it?
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The major difference w/the Model S D is both the front & rear motor was a newer, improved design of the same type of motor as the rear motor of the RWD.
On the Model 3 the rear motor is exactly that same on RWD & AWD, and the front motor of the AWD is of a type of motor design (induction) that is about 10% less efficient converting power than the rear (permanent magnet switch resistance) motor.
So no, the AWD is always going to be slightly higher Wh/mile.
^^^ ???
Are you saying that Model S "D" (like 75D) uses same motor type as RWD Model 3 ?
I think that is incorrect. I think Model 3 RWD introduced a new motor type not seen in any Model S or X so far.
In terms of front (induction) motor in AWD 3... I am not sure how similar that is to front motor in S & X... Maybe similar.
But I think rear motor in 3 is a new type and quite different from every Tesla motor before it.
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No.
The Model S xxD vehicles used an updated design for the motor compared to the RWD Model S (although they were still of the same induction motor concept, they were improved along with their substantial size shrink). The PxxD vehicles however continued to use the same original rear motor as the Model S RWD with only small incremental changes (to deal with durability/reliability issues), and as a result were much worse efficiency compared to the xxD even if you drove it conservatively. Contrast the later with how the Model 3 AWD and Performance are extremely similar efficiency (unless you give in to the urge to stomp
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From personal experience; My wife complains about Tesla not providing "holy sugar" handles over the passenger door. Also "*something* *something* your driving". :/
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My other half complains all the time about the missing Oh Sheet handles.. you can imagine how 'happy' he was when we went from LR to Stealth Performance
Yup. Even just putting the AWD closer to P performance will ruffle feathers.
I'd be ok with that if they paid me $5k, but then nobody would buy a new P. No way would they do that.
Why would no one buy a new P? They lowered the cost of the P, didn't they? I am talking about a Tesla credit for those who bought the P at the higher price. Personally, if the cost difference to go to the P, at the time I bought, was were it is now, I would have gotten the P. I think there are a lot of AWD owners that would pay for that bump, but weren't going to at the 11-15k difference that it was.
We do get track mode though (which I did get to use this weekend and let me tell you, it's awesome)
Is there a contradiction?
After reading many threads on this forum ..... so many writers want Tesla to provide "freebies." Free performance upgrades; free supercharging; free accessories; and on and on.
While others are concerned about Tesla's profitability ... and more important ... corporate sustainability.
Can't have both.
But the buyer should receive a vehicle that has been quality assembled commensurate with the high price to own a copy ..... and equal to the engineering, technology and design expertise that has made the Tesla the remarkable vehicle that it has the potential to become.
After reading many threads on this forum ..... so many writers want Tesla to provide "freebies." Free performance upgrades; free supercharging; free accessories; and on and on.
While others are concerned about Tesla's profitability ... and more important ... corporate sustainability.
Can't have both.
But the buyer should receive a vehicle that has been quality assembled commensurate with the high price to own a copy ..... and equal to the engineering, technology and design expertise that has made the Tesla the remarkable vehicle that it has the potential to become.
OP here
I really was more focused on a tweaking that may make the AWD more efficient.
Most of what I am reading folks are reporting high consumption.... perhaps they could tweak the motors to allow this as more data comes in.
As far as an uncorking or better performance, perhaps down the line with a fee would be more likely.
I really was more focused on a tweaking that may make the AWD more efficient.
Most of what I am reading folks are reporting high consumption.... perhaps they could tweak the motors to allow this as more data comes in.
As far as an uncorking or better performance, perhaps down the line with a fee would be more likely.
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