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No, it really doesn't. But nice try. Level 3 also doesn't demand you use lidar, radar, ultrasonic, GPS, road mappings and so on, but guess what! Legacy makers are and Tesla are not. In accepting legal liability, Mercedes-Benz are telling the world they're confident and that anyone disavowing...

Won't happen, not least because at this level Tesla must assume all liability and of course, they won't and couldn't afford to anyway. Can we take a brief moment to appreciate what others can sell as an option right now: I mean, Tesla can't even get the rain bit right. What does this mean...

I dare say that on particular roads in favourable conditions at a certain time of day with a certain level of light, it does a passable job for a cheap, not that powerful in-car computer rivalled by your average games console. If that's everyone's idea of an AI robot car of the future, have at...

Also the trees and parked cars conspire with the angle of the approach to obscure the stop sign (circled below, on the right). Think of how many Give Way or other signs are obscured or illegible or bent over or graffitied on an average urban drive in this country. There are deep flaws in a...

Beavis and Butthead in the front remind me of certain contributors here, sermonising on Tesla's magnificence while their car breezes through stop lights and wanders dementedly into oncoming traffic. It shouldn't be used on the public highway, it's dangerous and it's never going to work.

The old lady in those videos is super nice about everything. Not the place for insightful criticism.

From Bjorn's tests, EQC ranks no.2 for silence on his "noise" tab, ahead even of the newer EQE and BMW iX. I've been in one. It is whisper quiet and comfortable. Some people like old skool luxury and will pay the extra.

Autopilot lol. The Ioniq 5 has real world functional things like a 360 camera, blind spot avoidance system and actual working rain-sensing wipers. It also has a five year basic warranty and probably five times the number of service centres. You pays your deposit and takes your choice.

Yes. You will have read car magazines running on endlessly about how such-and-such a car "undercuts the competition" without admitting that 80% of new cars are bought on PCP, and that the sticker price they are comparing is therefore meaningless. It's even meaningless to P11d-obsessed company...

Pricey how? Ioniq 5 is Model 3 money per month. You could have a Mercedes-Benz EQC for Model 3 money per month too, despite the Benz being an £80K car. The idea that the M3 or MY represent "best value" or whatever is misdirection.

Feel your pain. My car is younger and has covered half the mileage, yet this week is about to undergo its third front driveshaft and third air spring module replacement. Having been laid up at the SC for 2-3 months this year alone, the warranty could last a century, come with free tyres and...

Oh yes. When other auto makers scrambled to duplicate Tesla's success they overlooked the logical calm of configuring the car and the smartphone-like ease with which it all slips into your life.

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The above is an incredibly thorough post and even copyrighted. I would only add that you must take a test drive. If you do a lot of motorway driving, and it seems you do, you could well be put off by the noise and dynamics of the 3 and Y and prefer a German car. My recent previous purchases...

You could always unsubscribe from this thread? From skimming a few pages in your link it seems that, six months later, your side of the argument is still circling the elephant in the room: that literally every other car on sale has functional USS-based parking which is a tried and tested...

No, that's not my assertion. It has been illuminating to chat with someone so unironically certain I can't read.

The conversation isn't about equivalence but inadequacy. Looking at the company's patent, Estimating object properties using visual image data, something that stands out is this single solitary nod to the perils of being outdoors: “In various embodiments, radar sensors are able to capture...

There are no laws limiting the behaviour of auto wipers or parking and yet both are underperforming junk. For many owners, these two systems form the hallowed gateway to a whole new realm of Tesla consciousness. If you could explain what's going on without blaming the government or Costa Coffee...

Maybe gen z's favourite aphorism 'learn to code' will become 'learn to park' 🤪

If you coated my eyes with a layer of wet road grime I'd have the same trouble. But here's the thing... that never happens.

It's not your own experience with your own car that's in question. It's this para tucked away in the manual: Would you not agree this is a long list of common situations that would never leave a human driver "unable to function"?

It's not coming to Europe. I'd like to think there isn't a single European buyer interested in the weird mutant offspring of a paper aeroplane, door wedge and filing cabinet, made by a company known for questionably executed daydreams, but judging by comments in other subforums I was wrong...

Can you use these sensors to detect pedestrians carrying umbrellas and turn the wipers on? Unless they can be deployed in some hitherto untested, unproven and totally moronic way, Tesla won't be interested.

Subsequent replies will have reminded you that, even if every one of the UK's couple hundred thousand Tesla buyers had done due diligence here on this forum, there are too many Scientology-style whitewashers whose job it is to reimagine each of the company's dumb decisions as progress.

Yes, mainly to annoy starry-eyed Elon-quoters

Preconditioning for starters. Our family wagon is a PHEV and in 12 months has covered 5,000 miles and has been filled with petrol *drumroll* twice. In other words, the engine is rarely used (and even when it is, the only time it gets warm is when the 40-mile battery hits 0% some time into a...

I think the likelihood of self-driving cars is non-zero but the likelihood of the current Tesla model line-up driving by themselves is nil. Below is a tiny part of my commute this morning which involved a fleet of error messages about the cameras not being able to see because of the low sun...

This is not fair. - Every weird owner said it was great! - Every video on Twitter and YouTube from weird owners showed it working! - All the magazines said it was amazing! - Robotaxis! - Every other manufacturer was copying it! - The share price! No surprises ordinary car buyers fell for it...

The press and weird owners are to blame. For years what seemed like a majority of people never questioned how implausible it was that a small number of waist height cameras with 2015-era CMOS image sensors, which wash out in sunlight, which can't see in the dark, which don't penetrate mist or...

Because in 2020 the company were at the front of the queue to signal they were on the side of social justice by giving vast amounts of your money to BLM, an obvious grift by people who want to abolish the police and all prisons? NB the link to the Octopus www above is worth reading as its later...

They've bet the farm on this nonsense. If you schlep motorways start shopping the alternatives.

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The biggest failing of these silly systems is that they don't spot cars waiting in side turnings. I remember years ago driving a Volvo with matrix lamps along the A414 and seeing the driver of a car in an adjoining left side road giving me his unwavering mid digit as I went past not knowing how...

Model Y LR in UK is £44,158 plus VAT Model Y LR in US is $48,990 minus rebates No so far apart, all the gnarlier differences being in company car tax savings, VED, depreciation and so on What is starkly dissimilar between the two nations is advertising standards, in that Tesla can list U.S...

Echoing the comment of @Pagemakers above, I have collared two mobile engineers on visits and asked them about Autopilot, and they both confessed it's absolutely terrible. Oh, right, I said. Have relegated it to the odd demonstration of brokenness in the middle of Southend at 3am, or down...

At least the company listened to feedback and deleted the indicator stalks 🤪 In the same way that owners with vision-based parking have to accept their car has no clue where the bollards are, owners with vision-based rain sensing have to accept their car has no clue where the water is. The...

The facelift really does appear to be a compelling rollup of improvements, but claiming it's become as quiet as the quietest car on sale or that its frameless doors now open and close with the resonant thonk of an S-Class is a reminder that over time Teslastans haven't gotten any less strange.

This isn't software versions. Next time you get a warning from your camera that it's "covered or blinded" save the footage and play it back. Or watch any of the RSEV videos where they expose Tesla's camera-based park distance setup for the embarrassing garbage that it is. If you can't measure...

Having gone through all this on both cars, I've come to associate the current time of year with clocks going back, my children having runny noses, and the car moaning that it can't see anything. A combination of low sun, mist, rain and road grime makes the system even more erratic than it...

Although here the gearchange doesn't spin from your right foot to your left at every junction, and thus you don't need half a second or more to rewire your understanding of its current orientation to work out in advance whether you need your heel or toe to go up or down through the box 🤪

My car has moulted the cost of a brand new Model Y in the few years I've owned it. Tesla are being economical with the truth when they sell you the car, in that their order page focuses on nebulous "fuel savings" without acknowledging that fuel and every other expenditure are dwarfed by...

Leather's ideal if you have kids because you can wipe it clean, but the belief that cheap unyielding automotive vinyl is the epicure's choice because it looks a bit like leather is the work of PR departments. The weird stuff in my car is as horrible as it is durable. Cloth all the way.

My M3 loaner was infuriating at roundabouts. There are many threads on this going back years plus this video: I mean, is this not nuts? What it means is that, not only do you need to consult the Tesla manual to figure out what in the name of Bartholomew H. Tapdancing Christmas you are...

It's even worse than you describe, because the autocancel feature tends not to cancel shallow first exits, so often you have to cancel the indicators yourself. And because this is all the same half-baked nonsense as the wipers and headlights and so on, some of the time it does cancel itself...

I had several CX, an SM, DS, several XM, Xantia (incl. V6), C5, C6, you name it. Never a BX. Drove a BX GTI about 5-6 years ago though, long after I'd given up buying the cars, and remembered how amazing it was that mainstream buyers could have such a supreme air ride/handling balance for sub...

The company's aim is motorsport products for the road, to the point that they even deliberately limit autonomy features to L2 to 'maintain authenticity' and 'preserve emotion' blah blah. As a Ferrari owner, you might even argue that the deletion of stalks and the scattergun recreation of every...

Right so this reinforces the point that it's a niche curiosity. Ferrari have seriously quick steering, to the point you rarely need to reposition your hands on the wheel, and the indicator buttons are separated either side of the wheel hub so that they fall naturally under left and right hands...

Although I never owned one, years ago I took a test drive in an Evora and it's one of those cars whose first 100 yards still sticks in my mind. I thought of it when you mentioned you'd bought the Eletre. Despite feeling like a nailed down sports car the Evora had/has the most incredible ride...

The balance is in the variety of posts here, not in every stated opinion. I know for a fact we don't agree on everything but @Zilla91 's posts are routinely insightful and often dryly funny, which in my book beats sounding like you've been hit with a stun ray.