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360 surround-view of the car (DRIVE PX 2 stitches camera images)

Discussion in 'Autonomous Vehicles' started by scottf200, Aug 20, 2017.

  1. scottf200

    scottf200 Active Member

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    Has anyone at Tesla hinted at providing 360 surround-view (aka bird's eye) view of the car for things like parking backing out of garage, etc? The HW2 Nvidia board would appear to have features to help even. One use for all the cameras around the car unless I'm missing something (like they are not at the right angle of view)

    Aside: With one hurt eye in an accident while driving my old Tesla, I sure would appreciate more help seeing all around the vehicle for safety reasons, ease of seeing in tight parking in public, or garages.

    Above via this article for one place: NVIDIA's Deep Learning Car Computer Selected by Volvo on Journey Toward a Crash-Free Future
     
  2. boaterva

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    It's been often said that there is no front camera to give you what's right in front of the car for a real 360/overhead view. And the cameras don't do 'color', they do GGGR (gray/gray/gray/red). No good answer to an often asked-for feature, and one answer is that for autonomous, it's not needed, as the car parks itself using ultrasonics. Yes, we know that's a ways off to be useful to everyone all the time.

    I want it also, as video is a lot more useful than ultrasonics!
     
  3. scottf200

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    I appreciate the follow up and understand your point about there not being a front camera that essentially points down for that view. I guess the side cameras may not either. I have seen where other companies side cameras in are the side mirrors. Heck I would be satisfied with 270 degrees even because the sides and back are the hardest to see and judge.

    I follow the GGGR comment (red being the most useful for stop lights, etc) but I wouldn't even care if it was black and white. A lot of 360 degree bird's eye views I've seen are B&W.
     
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    And I agree B&W/grayscale would be useful also. But I think they are so fixated on autonomous, we aren't going to see it. :(
     
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    Elon said somewhere it´s in devmode. I guess they will release it if they are satisfied and/or have time.
     
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    @scottf200

    This partially simulated image (based on real side marker and B pillar camera images) I made illustrates the problem... something like this is in dev mode but...

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    Still, a partial birdseye view from front mirrors back in B&W would be possible...
     
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  8. AnxietyRanger

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    Just a few more comments, I think my picture in the previous post above speaks volumes already...

    Yes, only the rear camera is in color, rest are GGGR.

    Also, there is not just the lack of a nose camera to see what's in front of the bumper beneath the bonnet (not seen by the front fisheye on top of the windscreen), there is also the problem of B pillar cameras not seeing the front corners (and side marker cameras also of course not helping).

    Normally 360 view cars have side cameras in the mirrors as well as nose and rear fisheyes that can cover all four sides. Tesla does not have cameras that can fully cover all four sides close to ther car.

    So, a large dark area around the nose of the car then...
     
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    Probably with ap3.0. Change all cameras to color, add nose camera, etc. dec 2016
     
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    I use the 360deg view thing in my XC90 everyday. It's very helpful since the XC90 is a pretty big vehicle. I guess I can live without it in a model s? Wish it had it though...
     
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  11. kutkuzak

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    I miss the around-view camera I had in my Leaf all the time. Almost daily to be honest. I don't know if the S would be able to get as good of a view as the Leaf (or Bolt) gets, but I think it could stitch together something decent.
    Considering all the promised features that still haven't been delivered, I'm not holding my breath for something they've never mentioned. :(
     
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    Silly that such a "technologically advanced" car doesn't include a front camera. Why not, to save $100?
     
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    It should be able to do something like this at least, B/W back from the mirrors, like an old BMW - except since, unlike the BMW, Tesla does not views of the front corners it would perhaps have to be cropped away a bit lower on the top:

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  14. kutkuzak

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    The leaf cameras were amazingly accurate all around - basically a top-down video game view. That said, even some basic views would be helpful. I hate not seeing curbs in particular.
     
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    Yeah, unfortunate how far behind Tesla is with some driver's aids...
     
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    I had this and never used it... found the distortion too weird. The new systems are much better but I've never had a complaint about Tesla's execution of parking assist features.
     
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    Don't have an MX yet, but considering. The test drive was very revealing. Rear View Mirror, back seat headrest, sloping roof and very small rear window made driving and checking traffic very hard. Much worse than my current BMW X3. Tesla OA kept the rear view camera window up the whole time. This is more than an issue just parking.

    Now you find out that the car with 8 cameras can't do what cars costing much less can do.
     
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    Yup, it's unfortunate but true. It also does things many others cars don't do so I live with it. I love my S, particularly TACC in my daily commute with *highly* variable speeds, but I miss my Leaf's around-view monitor a LOT some days. Hopefully they'll get there but considering how slow they seem to move with basic usability issues in the interface, I'm not holding my breath.
     
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    This is a borderline deal breaker for me. I use the 360 cameras on my Leaf every day and Tesla cars are much larger.
     
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    The guy doing our Model S drive did the same thing. Had the rear view camera up the entire time. When we mentioned how small the opening was out the back window he started touting how amazing the rear view camera was, and how a lot of people "kept it up all the time'. Personally, I can think of other higher priority things that I want on my screen when I'm driving down the road. But anyway...

    He also wouldn't let us film the drive. Said it was "corporate policy", even though we'd done a test drive a couple of months ago at another location and it wasn't an issue.
     

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