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Hi,

We took delivery of our family's first Model 3 today. I am a mixed bag of emotions. I wanted to give my honest opinion of Tesla based on my experience. High-Yield at the bottom. PS - I didn't proofread this. I wrote it this at midnight.

Is Tesla's customer service its achilles heel?

To start off, I would like to confess that I am not in a technology field, I am not an early adopter of Tesla (started researching it 1-2 months ago), don't YET consider myself part of the Elon's cult. I am just an average middle class American.

So about two months ago my family and I learned more about the climate changes from the recent news reports. We as a family decided to be more environmentally clean. So we decided on investing in Solar energy for our house and an electric car. I took on the responsibility of researching these topics. Obviously, I came across Tesla - I read through the articles, test drove a Model S and a Model 3. I looked through the different forums and did my research. I felt that for the price of the car and equipment model 3 was the best for us. We ordered the model 3 end of November. We were assigned a vin that same week and were assigned delivery end of first week of December. Was postponed a couple of times. Long frustrating story short - We got our delivery today with a chipped back windshield, loose driver door, and couple of areas of bad paint job. The service staff promised to take care of all of this. I never imagined I would pay >50 thousand for car and take a subpar car for delivery. But (after a grueling 8 hr day at the showroom)that is what we did. We drove home in our long range model 3. Five mins into the drive - I forgot all my frustrations with the delivery and was so happy from joy that I felt that it was the BEST DECISION EVER to take delivery. The best part of this whole ordeal for me was there was no bargaining, the pricing was straight forward. BTW, my delivery advisor was lying for the first weeks and was MIA/non-existent for the second week.

Our experience was not the same with the solar system. Tesla's solar system in through a company called SolarCity. I was told by the salesperson that they are the best in the country. He asked me for my home address, pulled up my previous electricity bill - told me I have a great south facing roof with no trees or obstacles close to it. I was told we would be a perfect candidate to go solar. We were told, we would get a quote in a day or two. In the meantime, I went on a website called energysage.com (must do if you are thinking about going solar), entered my details and got some quotes. In summary, I need a 5 KW system about $2.5/KWH - $3.5/KWH ($12,500 - $17,500) (and you get an extra 30% off from federal and an extra state incentive). Tesla provided their initial quote - close to $17000, however they included the state incentive (it was actually hidden). Looking at the quote more carefully, it was actually close to $4/KWH - $20000. I asked them why their quote was higher than the competitors - I was told that they use better material and they are more reliable. So, I asked them to send me their material information. It turns out when you compare it, their materials were average compared to the other quotes we received. I brought this up with my sales person. At this point, he became very defensive, I was promised that Tesla would pricematch the other quotes and I shouldn't worry about it. I was told to put a $500 fully refundable deposit for a home survey. I decided to go ahead with the deposit - A person came over the next day. Did a 1 hour survey of my home. I get a quote back a week after that for $13000 (same tactic with including the state incentive), so actually $16000 for a 4 KW system. So, still a $4/KWH. My sales person texted me with all exclamations and smiley faces stating that Tesla price matched my offer. At this point, I calmly informed him that the price is still 3-4 thousand dollars above my lowest quote and now my system is smaller than what I needed. I told him that I would like my $500 deposit back and would like to have my system from a local installer. I was told that my refund will be sent to me. I have had zero contact from Tesla since - cannot reach Solarcity customer service (partly my fault - I work insane hours and am not usually free for an hour to chat at 10 AM on mondays). I researched consumeraffairs and BBB for solarcity. They have the worst reviews in the industries 1/5 stars. In my location, there were atleast 10 other installer with 4 stars or greater reviews. When you read through the reviews - it seems like their biggest problem is customer service, servicing after the system is installed, and service when their system goes down. What I disliked the most about my experience was the shady sales tactics and the lack of reliable customer service. I would've paid a reasonable premium for Tesla if I trusted their solar company.

So, both Tesla SolarCity and Tesla motor have subpar customer service. Tesla solar has other competitors in the market that are actually better than Tesla solar for my family in my opinion. Tesla motor has a incredible car that is worth the shitty customer service for my family currently in my opinion. I am worried that once the other car companies build equivalent cars, Tesla will not be able to compete because of their subpar customer service.

As a middle class average american - I want honest, reliable service. (i.e Apple, Amazon, Google). Will Tesla get there? What do you think needs to happen for this company to improve their customer service?

High-yield: Researched both Tesla solar and Tesla Model 3. Tesla model 3 is a great car with bad customer service. Tesla solar is a scam based on consumer reports reviews. Tesla might not survive in a long run with customer service like this. What do you as an average consumer think needs to happen for Tesla to go to the next level?

PS. This is just a stream of consiousness. I could be completely wrong in my limited assessment. Looking forward to hearing from others.
 
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Pretty good write-up. Thanks for the info! Hopefully you get your deposit back and get some good local solar. I think Tesla will get there with solar but it’s kind of low priority with all everything else going on. Elon needs a COO bad to help him out. Hopefully the new board chair is a step in right direction.
 
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Thanks for sharing that. It is not that common we are hearing about solar installations or the experience with it. As an investor it is troubling to hear.

I have no idea why someone as honest and direct as Elon Is ("our stock is over-valued") has no qualms with misleading, confusing quotes. one reason I invest in Tesla is for his honesty. Be straightforward, clear, and concise, and the average person will really appreciate it. I completely understand your frustration here, and it is troubling to hear about, with respect to Tesla's chances of accomplishing its 'mission'.
 
Sorry to hear about your Tesla Energy issues. We went with Tesla Energy for our solar installation and were totally pleased with how it turned out. It did take several months to get installed (since we were waiting on Powerwalls as well) but once they started the installation, everything went great. In our case, Tesla actually had the lowest price per Watt of the three solar providers we checked got quotes from. In our case, all quotes were before the ITC so it's odd they kept giving you a quote that already had it subtracted.
 
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I agree with you that Tesla customer service is bad. I think it's a combination of:
- growing pains related to record high sales this year
- lack of good training in the field of customer service
- likely lack of pay for most of the people who interact with customers
- too many changes all the time, so it's hard for both customers and staff to keep up
- Elon is a crazy egomaniac who makes life difficult

The fix? Not sure if they can do it. It's a little too much ATM. I agree, it's a good thing they don't have a serious competitor.
 
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I canceled my contract with Tesla Energy because they were just too frustrating to deal with. I found a local installer who was 60% the cost, per watt, and was way more responsive.

OP, you mention Apple's customer service as a point of comparison. It's interesting to note that Apple hasn't always been the pinnacle of a positive customer experience that they are today. I posted the following on a thread someone started elsewhere on the problems with Tesla's customer service and I think it's relevant here, as well:
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For a variety of reasons, all thoroughly discussed on TMC, it's often useful to compare Apple to Tesla. I'm old enough to remember:
  • Years of Apple offering just a 90-day warranty on their computers. MacUser had a running graphic entitled "X years of insufficient warranty coverage," until Apple was shamed into increasing their warranty to one year.
  • Arrogant and unavailable Apple repair people. Who could repair your Mac? Only an authorized Apple dealer, of course, and they were, at least in my part of the world, overwhelmed, rude, expensive, and entitled.
  • Years of horribly named, horribly planned Mac models shotgunned at a confused public. (Quadra, Centris, etc. WTF?)
  • Mac clones that cannibalized Apple's own sales.
  • A 50% drop in Apple stock in a single day in the late 90's.
  • Common Mac viruses in the late 80's.
  • MacOS 7 that was so buggy that bombs and crashes were a daily occurrence.
  • And so on.
Many times during these painful years, watching Apple stepping on their tail over and over, it was tempting to believe that Apple was doomed. Overall, their vision and their products carried them through. This is no guarantee of Tesla's success, of course, but it's interesting in hindsight to remember just how confused, messed up, and arrogant Apple was at some of their darkest times.
 
Thanks for all the replies. I realized apple had some problems early on but didn't know what they were. Its nice to know that apple fixed most if not all those problems. I guess listening to your customers is the first step.

MorrisonHiker, I am glad it worked out for it. I heard their installations are beautiful!. For me, I just needed a solar company that is a little bit more responsive for an item that will be on our house for the next 20-30 years.

An interesting article from a Colombia professor this AM.
Tesla Survived Manufacturing Hell--Now Comes The Hard Part
 
Wow, that professor's experience was 180 out from my own picking up my car this summer (the final week of Q2, so a busy time). Might have a lot to do with size of DC - I'll bet the NY one has 20x the throughput of my Raleigh DC. I was in and out in an hour, with most of that doing the walkthrough. Though I didn't have a trade-in so that made it simpler. But there weren't any disgruntled customers sitting around either. Just seemed orderly.
 
Wow, that professor's experience was 180 out from my own picking up my car this summer (the final week of Q2, so a busy time). Might have a lot to do with size of DC - I'll bet the NY one has 20x the throughput of my Raleigh DC. I was in and out in an hour, with most of that doing the walkthrough. Though I didn't have a trade-in so that made it simpler. But there weren't any disgruntled customers sitting around either. Just seemed orderly.


Haha, its because the customers are out in the wild driving around looking for their cars. This is a post from a customer picking up their car at the Raleigh location today.

THEY LOST MY MODEL 3!!!!!

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I had a similar bad expedience when buying my model S with including being lied to by my delivery specialist and having to chase him down for ever bit of info. Lied to by a tech at service center and it was a pain to book any warranty related repairs with them. (My model S was delivered with a cracked B Pillar cover, vibrating passenger speaker and 1 faulty door handle)

Not to mention if they dont have a part on hand (even if it is just a 1 plastic clip) it takes 4 to 6 weeks to get
 
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