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Anti-Tesla Gibberish
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jvonbokel
John VonBokel
Yes, but nobody stays young forever (despite our best efforts). Plenty of those youths will grow up to be conservatives. The city correlation is more interesting, but I'd like to see what Nate Silver has to say about it before I draw any conclusions.
JRP3
Hyperactive Member
"Fool" doesn't think Tesla has an advantage in the EV market Seems as if Motley Fool has at least one Tesla article each day, obviously a page view winner.
http://beta.fool.com/thebargainbin/2013/04/11/the-future-of-electric-cars-2/30122/
Seems as if Motley Fool has at least one Tesla article each day, obviously a page view winner.http://beta.fool.com/thebargainbin/2013/04/11/the-future-of-electric-cars-2/30122/
arondaniel
Il Sessanta Caricato
"Fool" doesn't think Tesla has an advantage in the EV market
http://beta.fool.com/thebargainbin/2013/04/11/the-future-of-electric-cars-2/30122/
Fool seems to think that once the BEV market is large enough to care about, Ford & GM will simply take over. And that's exactly why I use AOL for social media, shop online at Kmart.com, and rock out with my iSony music player.
smorgasbord
Active Member
In fairness to The Motley Fool, you're reading blog articles written by its subscribers. These are different from articles written by the people that actually work for the company. One of the foundations for the company is that they welcome various opinions and ideas. There almost never is a consistent "everyone thinks this way" situation. Matter of fact, one of TMF's services might recommend a stock while another shorts it. I am a subscriber. What I like is that they back up their opinions with a rationale, fact-based, investment thesis.
Two separate services of TMF have recommended buying Tesla, plus one of their "Real Money Portfolios" (which just re-recommended it on Tuesday, good timing). Many subscribers are skeptical, but I'm working on changing that. :biggrin:
Two separate services of TMF have recommended buying Tesla, plus one of their "Real Money Portfolios" (which just re-recommended it on Tuesday, good timing). Many subscribers are skeptical, but I'm working on changing that. :biggrin:
jeff_adams
Member
Yep! Don't forget Blackberry and Palm. They reigned supreme in the smartphone arena until iPhone showed up. Big mistake by Detroit in falling behind this tech.
SebastianR
Active Member
Agree. I think the point is not that Detroit (or Stuttgart for that matter) don't have the technology but it is a matter of not believing in BEVs.
It's a classic change management problem: If something new comes along, people are typically reluctant to let go of the old, if that means for them that they have done 'the wrong thing' for their entire life up to that point. Tried to summarize the challenge here.
Just look into how much the German car guys think that Diesel cars are better than Hybirds (which is often true for modern Diesel cars). By trying to focus on engineering of better fuel engines, they obviously miss out on the new technology paradigm so there is a chance of building up technology, establishing super chargers and building a brand that will be strong enough to stand by itself.
While I agree with your points, Sebastian, I wouldn't underestimate the hurdles other manufacturers will have in developing the technology for a truly effective BEV -- particularly because they must avoid infringing on Tesla's patents. Tesla has a first-mover advantage not only in branding but technology.
JRP3
Hyperactive Member
I don't see Tesla's patents as much of a roadblock to OEM's as long as they don't want to use 18650 cells.
JRP3
Hyperactive Member
I know, but as far as creating components for an EV there are many different effective ways to do it. What's wrong with all the other EV's on the market? Not the motors or inverters, it's the range. Using LiCo variants in the 18650 format gives Tesla an energy density and cost advantage at this point in time
Are Tesla's patents really the issue? If an established automaker approached Tesla with a reasonable proposal to make use of some of their patents, I suspect the "master plan" side of Elon would help them come to an agreement that's a win EVs as a whole.
JRP3
Hyperactive Member
A long paper describing how the Model S is not green. http://www.uniteconomics.com/files/Tesla_Motors_Is_the_Model_S_Green.pdf Someone spent a lot of time combing through the forums here, linking member's posts. I have not yet gone through it all, but I really wish Tesla would kill that damn vampire load already.
mitch672
Active Member
Yes, the TSLA "shorts" are getting desperate, as they are getting absolutely killed with borrowing charges, and if they decide to cover, face massive losses. They will try ANYTHING to knock the stock price down, even a "research report" like this. I read it, I'm not impressed.
JRP3
Hyperactive Member
True, but this is a fairly detailed and obviously funded effort, brought to you by http://uniteconomics.com/ which seems to have ties to Weiss, Harrington, and Associates, http://companies.findthecompany.com/l/16631326/Weiss-Harrington-And-Associates-Llc-in-Boston-MA Precursor to a class action lawsuit regarding the energy usage of the Model S? At the very least this will be grabbed onto by the anti EV anti Tesla crowd and used as a bludgeon. If you read through it you can see how he's taken many statements of forum members, in link form to avoid copyright issues, and used them to paint a picture. It's actually worth reading through it to see how deep it goes.
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mitch672
Active Member
I read it, I had to laugh when he compares "the grid getting greener" with "gasoline is also getting greener"
I think you'd need an entire thread just to discuss that "research report"
I think you'd need an entire thread just to discuss that "research report"
JRP3
Hyperactive Member
I had the same thought, since tar sands oil means gas is getting dirtier, not cleaner. Plus when he compares the CO2/mile for the Tesla including battery construction emissions to a Jeep which does not include any construction emissions.
There is a definite agenda here. I love how they say "When the CO2 emitted during the production of the battery pack are incorporated" while blatantly ignoring the energy used to create gasoline or the energy used to create an ICE engine when talking about the gas and hybrid cars they use as examples. And what a wonder, but then the Model S is a terrribly dirty car spewing massive amounts of CO2 into the atmosphere.
If you hate EVs then this can be used to further your beliefs and anyone mildly aware knows this crap for what it is - crap.
If you hate EVs then this can be used to further your beliefs and anyone mildly aware knows this crap for what it is - crap.
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