Lasairfion
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The more choice the better. Elon isn't rushing towards the last man standing, or rather last car manufacturer standing, he's trying to push change in the industry. So bring on more EVs and chargers.
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Audi etron in person, disappointing?
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Eno Deb
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Bjoern Nyland got 205 miles of range in winter. It'll be interesting to see more real world results. The EPA figure seems a little pessimistic compared to the WLTP number and early tests.
Kilotango74
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Family car is a Porsche 911? You must be German. What a ridiculous analogy.......Well yeah, that's a good thing it's not much different than a standard Audi.
Too small? You must be American.
My family car currently is a Porsche 911.
It fits skis or bikes on the roof rack no problem, you can put enough stuff in the back seats lol.
Sean Wagner
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Too small? You must be American.
My family car currently is a Porsche 911.
It fits skis or bikes on the roof rack no problem, you can put enough stuff in the back seats lol.
Pish! I did the Grimsel in a Smart Cabrio! Tires screeching in the hairpins! Woo hoo!
Then I remembered I had allowed a couple of backpackers to cozy up in the "trunk".
[Joke!]
SimonT
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None of the current electric cars are perfect - they all have strengths and weaknesses compared to the others.
With better range the etron would be a strong contender.
The ipace is too small and feels cramped inside.
Tesla could do with a few more real world gadgets and slightly better build quality.
With better range the etron would be a strong contender.
The ipace is too small and feels cramped inside.
Tesla could do with a few more real world gadgets and slightly better build quality.
It's not Tesla's numbers. It's the numbers reported by the EPA testing cycle. I can certainly hit under 220 Wh on my Model 3 LR RWD and get the rated range with mixed driving using AP, but I tend to get around 248 Wh when I personally drive. This is because I drive 80-90 mph on half my drive to work when on the interstate and I removed the aero caps off my rims. I also do a lot of heavy acceleration.
The EPA numbers match the LR AWD with 18" rims. It doesn't match any other configuration:
Tesla Range Table - Teslike.com
Congrats. At least you get the virtual rear view mirrors...waiting to see one in person in VA.
Let's see charging 20% to 90% (which I assume applies to all BEV cars).
That's 70% of the absolute battery capacity which is 204 miles * 70% comes to 143 miles of "practical range".
Now factor in cold weather. That's another 30% hit. 143 miles * 70% comes to 100 miles of "practical range in winter".
Sorry, I couldn't live with that in any country. Well, maybe Bermuda warm and small.
Does it get cold in Switzerland?
Maybe the eTron has a heat pump?
Maybe the eTron has no issue charging to 100% regularly?
Maybe the eTron has more headroom in the battery when it's below say 10%?
What's the track record on the longevity of the Audi Battery?
That's 70% of the absolute battery capacity which is 204 miles * 70% comes to 143 miles of "practical range".
Now factor in cold weather. That's another 30% hit. 143 miles * 70% comes to 100 miles of "practical range in winter".
Sorry, I couldn't live with that in any country. Well, maybe Bermuda warm and small.
Does it get cold in Switzerland?
Maybe the eTron has a heat pump?
Maybe the eTron has no issue charging to 100% regularly?
Maybe the eTron has more headroom in the battery when it's below say 10%?
What's the track record on the longevity of the Audi Battery?
Valore
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1. Charge curve below.
2. Yes of course, we got the Alps
3. Yes it does
4. So far no problem charging to 100%. It does it at 50kW
5. Yeah maybe, but I don't know
Well you can charge any EV to 100%. The question is if you routinely leave it at 100% what does that do to longevity.
I was joking that it gets cold in Switzerland.
My comments regarding 20%-90% has nothing to do with the charge curve. What is the recommended useable range of the battery. If your saying 0-100% daily with no longevity issues I guess Elon should close up shop.
If it’s like every other EV, 204 miles is really too little for a lot of folks. Because you can’t use the whole battery. And the huge hit in the cold. Perhaps it’s only 20% hit, in winter with the heat pump.
The only plus I see is that it has a heat pump. The biggest negative is that it’s made by the dieselgate folks and I will never buy another car from them. I had 5. I’ll never forget what they did.
Valore
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1. I don't care. I usually drive my cars 2 years and get a new one.
2. I don't know any recommended usable range. I usually plug it into the charger at home or at my office, that's it. Never got stuck without power, neither with my Tesla before nor with the Audi.
3. Yeah, 417km WLPT range might be too little for many people. It's still more than a Model X SR which is rated at 375km WLPT and comes with much better build quality for about the same price.
4. I never had problems with my Audi Diesel cars. They're great. In fact, my wife still drives an Audi A6 3.0 TDI which is pretty good and get's great fuel economy.
Only problem is their diesels were deliberately (not accidentally, that's the key here, deliberately) poisoning everyone around you. And you reward them, I won't.
I wouldn't buy a lot of the short range Tesla's either.
Who knows what other deliberate things they might be doing to manufacture your battery.
Valore
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Eno Deb
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Eno Deb
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Not really. It's possible that 100% displayed charge on an Audi uses a lower percentage of the actual battery capacity than 100% displayed charge on a Tesla. I.e. a larger part of the capacity is not user accessible. If that's the case, frequently charging the Audi to "100%" may not be harmful. It would also explain why it can maintain peak charging power longer than Tesla.
This is exactly the case. Audi prevents you from charging to the true 100% SOC. This allows them to charge faster up to the user limit and also allows them to hide degradation by moving the user limit so that the usable kWh is constant as the car ages through the warranty period. Beyond the warranty, who knows what will happen. I'm not sure most automakers care what happens beyond that. VW certainly didn't care that my Passat V6 30V consumed 3qt/5000miles from new. They would not do anything about it under warranty until the engine oil consumption was 1qt/1000miles. They were very smart. The oil consumption didn't kill the first catalytic converter until it was 5000 miles outside the emissions warranty.
Teslarati had this article on unhappy customers in Norway waiting for delivery and even being fined for cancelling their order.
Audi e-tron customers face more delivery delays, fines for canceled orders: report
The "you can buy a more expensive car earlier or get a lesser one but wait 6 months" statements, aren't that different from Tesla producing their more expensive Model 3 variations first with the base model pushed back, for which they received a lot of negative press. So interesting to see all the issues with production, trying to compete on technology, efficiency, battery costs, etc. that these big legacy type automakers are having after ripping up Tesla over their production issues.
Given that Audi came out and said they were going to pursue hydrogen due to their inability apparently to obtain enough batteries for their EV planned production, I don't know how comfortable I would be buying one of their BEV cars at this point. Might get stuck with a dinosaur model of theirs and be concerned about support down the road.
Audi e-tron customers face more delivery delays, fines for canceled orders: report
The "you can buy a more expensive car earlier or get a lesser one but wait 6 months" statements, aren't that different from Tesla producing their more expensive Model 3 variations first with the base model pushed back, for which they received a lot of negative press. So interesting to see all the issues with production, trying to compete on technology, efficiency, battery costs, etc. that these big legacy type automakers are having after ripping up Tesla over their production issues.
Given that Audi came out and said they were going to pursue hydrogen due to their inability apparently to obtain enough batteries for their EV planned production, I don't know how comfortable I would be buying one of their BEV cars at this point. Might get stuck with a dinosaur model of theirs and be concerned about support down the road.
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