Sorry, I do in fact agree with most of the issues described by the OP -- so I agree with you. The difference though is whether these problems are bad enough to make EAP "not ready for prime time", or by inference, dangerous. I don't think they are that bad. I don't do much driving where EAP is helpful but when I do, I find it to be excellent even with the quirks. If I had not purchased it I suspect I would weigh the quirks much differently, and would think "I'll let someone else work out the bugs and then I'll buy it".
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Sorry, I do in fact agree with most of the issues described by the OP -- so I agree with you. The difference though is whether these problems are bad enough to make EAP "not ready for prime time", or by inference, dangerous. I don't think they are that bad. I don't do much driving where EAP is helpful but when I do, I find it to be excellent even with the quirks. If I had not purchased it I suspect I would weigh the quirks much differently, and would think "I'll let someone else work out the bugs and then I'll buy it".
That's interesting as I have V9 in my M3 and definitely can set 4 levels of aggressiveness on lane change. What I will leave to others are the differences in a 2015 S vs current S, X, and 3 systems.
What's interesting in "not ready for prime time" coined by whoever started this thread is, by definition, what beta colloquially means. In software, the gates are between alpha to beta and beta to GA. So to say it's not ready for GA, yeah, Tesla agrees with you that's why the conspicuously call it beta in the documentation.
I've noticed it too. But I have also noticed that this is because everyone hugs the inner line and 3 stays in the center of the lane.
Uh... It have never read the signs... It is using the speed limits coded into the maps so you may need to adjust your expectations...
You mean my ability to recognize the limitations of AP?
I've seen many posts where someone complains that AP doesn't do something and I'm thinking 'why would you expect it too?'
Though if you want the confirmation bias here's one: I also have full self-driving capability and it is working perfectly.
But seriously, there may be some of that but in that case it is more in the sense that I intend to keep this car for a very long time and by then I believe it will definitely worth it. Is it worth it if it were to stay is it is right now? I don't know but I wouldn't have bought it that way to save the money.
I'm trying to imagine what would I have done if the price at order time and later upgrade would be the same and I can't say whether I would have waited or ordered right away. Obviously, full self-driving would have had to wait in that situation.
This question is for you high tech folks.
When a software company offers users the opportunity to Beta test a new version is there typically a charge to the user or does the company provide the software at nc until it is fully released?
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This is a little different as this is continually improving software. Think of Software Defined Radio where, in the case of one vendor, you can purchase a new product that introduces new features on a regular basis. You still had to pay for the radio and, after that version is finished, pay additional money for the next version. Use of these new features is completely optional for the user. You do not have to use the beta software. Should you decide to, it is incumbent to understand it is beta software.
I have a new Model 3 and have used NOA often. My initial opinion was much like yours, but the NOA is much smoother and more effective when you give it some help. The Tesla cruise control does not kick off when you add power - it just waits until you are done and resumes control. The Autopilot and NOA also remain engaged. So when the NOA slows down to 25 mph (the posted caution sign) on an on-ramp, with four cars on your rear bumper, just press on the "gas" pedal to smoothly increase speed as appropriate. When the set speed increases at the end of the ramp release the gas pedal. When the NOA wants to change lanes and you approve, it will ignore the gap ahead of it and instead try to slow down to find a gap. If you add a little "gas" as you approve the lane change it will see the gap ahead and smoothly make the lane change, as you would have done. Try it.
Model 3 doesn't do signs yet. The reason it would say 25 is because it is unsafe to do 65. What I do is manually, via thumb wheel, slow 5-10 under interstate speed to 55-60.
JeffK
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Note that this does not change the way it performs lane changes at all. All that setting does is change how it suggests lane changes (based on your speed and the speed of the car in front of you).
I am only 3 days into the trial but I like it. I love the TACC. I know that is not unique, but it works really well. If it can autosteer my commute on I40 (which is a mess), I'll keep it. Is it worth 5k ? probably.
PS. I cannot believe M3 does not have even regular cruise control without AP. grrrrr.
PS. I cannot believe M3 does not have even regular cruise control without AP. grrrrr.
I don't believe that's entirely accurate. It involves also the positioning and net speed differential of adjacent traffic. For instance, MadMax mode will punch out in front of an overtaking car, whereas the more milder modes will cause less cardiac issues for traffic.
According to doc, yes it does. I believe it works the same way as it does under EAP, the right stalk full depression once. Page 67, as I recall in the owners manual. If not page 61. What I refer to is the instruction for non-EAP owners to refer to their online owners manual for how to activate straight cruise control. A version of the owners manual I had a year or so ago said how to activate it. I've since overlaid it.
JeffK
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This is not how it behaves for me. For me it behaves exactly as the manual describes. When changing lanes it's still just as slow and cautious.
Wow, 96 occurances to TACC and exactly one reference to this. Thanks.
"Note: If your vehicle is not equipped with the optional Enhanced Autopilot or Full SelfDriving Capability package, refer to the owner's manual on your vehicle's touchscreen for instructions on how to use Cruise Control."
