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At this point - Cruise really doesn't look any better than Tesla in actual driving (even though geofenced). Atleast Waymo doesn't do stuff like this ...
Gotta agree. Making excuses for bad driving is not good look.
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At this point - Cruise really doesn't look any better than Tesla in actual driving (even though geofenced). Atleast Waymo doesn't do stuff like this ...
Gotta agree. Making excuses for bad driving is not good look.
Interesting. Mostly little sidewalk delivery bots from Starship (Brad is a shareholder) and Kiwi. May has more sites than I realized, too.Brad Templeton made an "autonomap" that shows where public autonomous driving is happening, including ride-hailing, delivery etc...
I did not know Gatik pulled safety drivers from a couple of box trucks in Arkansas more than a year ago. Has Waymo even done that with any trucks yet?
Actually, the most deployments are "roadbot" deployments in China from JD, Neolix, Meituan etc. (Nuro has a similar device but only 2 deployments at present.) These go on the roads and have no place for a human.Interesting. Mostly little sidewalk delivery bots from Starship (Brad is a shareholder) and Kiwi. May has more sites than I realized, too.
I did not know Gatik pulled safety drivers from a couple of box trucks in Arkansas more than a year ago. Has Waymo even done that with any trucks yet? The autonomous trucking business model is terrific, though the regulatory hurdle is higher. Einride in Europe also looks like a contender, just raised a boatload of money.
"Most recently, Volkswagen had agreed on extensive cooperation with Mobileye - and at the same time discontinued the Argo AI joint venture started with Ford . Shashua does not want to comment on the deal. According to industry circles, the new partners want to work together to improve autonomous driving performance on the motorway, among other things."
As the founder confirms, another partnership with a large car manufacturer that does not come from Europe is to be announced in the coming weeks.
Shashua thinks little of this approach. "All autonomous driving systems below a speed of 130 kilometers per hour are useless," he says. Too often drivers have to intervene, the system switches on and off at will. “That cannot be marketed in the future.” The aim must be for the car to drive autonomously from the motorway entrance to the exit – and also to be able to deal with dangerous situations without the driver having to intervene.
The Mobileye boss believes that Tesla will soon have to make a fundamental change. “What Tesla says publicly is different than what they do internally. Tesla will have to add active sensors, I'm sure," says Shashua. There are already reports that Tesla is testing imaging radars.
Why not just leave them out there then to drive around
Why not just leave them out there then to drive around
“The car is not an iPhone on wheels,” Zipse said. “A Level 3 system, whether at 60, 80 or 120 kilometers per hour, which constantly switches off in the tunnel, switches off when it rains, switches off in the dark, switches off in fog – what’s that supposed to mean? No customer buys it. No one wants to be in the shoes of a manufacturer who misinterprets a traffic situation during the liability phase, for example when control is handed back to the driver. We don’t take the risk,” Zipse added.
There’s also the topic of cost. Zipse sees limits to the willingness of customers to buy additional vehicle functions, like in a subscription model. “If they pay 50,000 euros for a car, they can’t say that everything isn’t included,” the BMW CEO says.
Additionally, every country has its own requirements for autonomous driving which adds complexity and cost to the development of self-driving features. For example, the Level 3 in the new BMW 7 Series will only be available in Europe, for now. The U.S. market will continue using the Level 2+ system which we also tested last year.
Because Mercedes has it? They probably don't want to look worse than Mercedes, so better to have something and not like it than to not have anything at all to compete.Looks like BMW CEO does not really believe in their own L3 system.
From a DPA report:
BMW is Skeptical About Level 3 Autonomous Driving
One of the biggest tech additions to the BMW fleet this year is the Level 3 autonomous driving capability in the BMW 7 Serieswww.bmwblog.com
Seems like BMW pursued L3 because they thought it would put them ahead and now they are realizing their mistake. But I got to wonder. If the CEO is so skeptical, why are they still pursuing L3? Or could this hint that BMW will drop L3 soon?
Because Mercedes has it? They probably don't want to look worse than Mercedes, so better to have something and not like it than to not have anything at all to compete.
Seems like BMW pursued L3 because they thought it would put them ahead and now they are realizing their mistake. But I got to wonder. If the CEO is so skeptical, why are they still pursuing L3? Or could this hint that BMW will drop L3 soon?
Such a pessimist! We have no idea how safe these L3 systems are yet.Yes, I keep saying ... these marketing hacks to call their system "L3" is dangerous.
It’s actually good to be pessimistic about L3 because we have yet to see an actual real L3 car. Everything so far has been a marketing PR scam.Such a pessimist! We have no idea how safe these L3 systems are yet.
I'm a pessimist because they also have no idea how safe the L3 systems are ... Or may be the BMW guy knowsSuch a pessimist! We have no idea how safe these L3 systems are yet.