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Two-year-old Model S. I purchased FSD initially (3K). Fortunately, I didn't lease because I'm still waiting for any tidbit of FSD. I've just begun noticing I'm being left behind with AP2.0. First was dashcam and now Sentry mode, only for AP2.5. I'm hoping AP3.0 Computer swap will bring them back for me. However, the latest update I see is the 2nd Radar. I expect to get the AP3.0 computer, Radar, not so sure.
I didn’t buy EAP earlier, do I have to pay extra to get AutoPilot 3.0? I heard it’s going to be a free upgrade for those who bought EAP 2.5. Is that true?
There is no second radar.
There's a second set of wires for the one and only radar, for redundancy.
Same thing is already there on AP2.5 cars.
Sensor suite is not changing from 2.5->3- only the computer.
Also this tweet from Elon suggests Sentry mode is coming to everyone with AP2+ hardware regardless of if they bought EAP, FSD, or neither-
Elon Musk on Twitter
Tesla has repeatedly stated EAP does not need HW3.
Elon Tweets are unclear. Is AP2+ actually 2.0+? Additional Radar is conjecture at this point - Tesla reveals new self-driving Autopilot hardware 3.0 computer diagram ahead of launch.
Factually correct, but I do wonder if that will actually happen.
Tesla also claimed that only FSD would use all 8 eight cameras, and that EAP would only use 4 of them.
What Tesla says, and what actually happens are two entirely different things.
It's tough to predict what will be needed for a given task before the task is actually achieved.
They haven't achieved EAP yet.
It certainly makes sense that FSD will require better processing capability than EAP. But, the concern is the current AP2 hardware isn't adequate enough for Tesla to implement a high quality EAP system. They screwed up by promising automatic lane changes without confirmation. This means the SW has to be darn good at detecting incoming vehicles or it's going to be constantly putting customers in a "AP tried to kill me" situation.
So Tesla might face a situation where EAP on HW3 is significantly better than EAP on HW2/HW2.5.
Good summary. There was also a class action lawsuit by the US FSD buyers. If you opted out of the lawsuit you get HW3, if not, not, as I understood it, since you re otherwise default and get the check instead.So there's a lot of misunderstanding here.
There is no AP3, nor has any been announced.
There is HW3. Which is only being used for FSD-only features- Tesla has repeatedly stated EAP does not need HW3.
HW3 is simply swapping the existing neutral net computer for a newer, more powerful, computer that will enable the first FSD-only features.
If you bought FSD and need the upgrade you get it free.
If you didn't buy FSD you don't get the upgrade since you don't need it.
As noted FSD requires EAP, so you'd have to have bought both. Both are still available as add-ons, but price is higher than if you'd bought prior to delivery.
Good summary. There was also a class action lawsuit by the US FSD buyers. If you opted out of the lawsuit you get HW3, if not, not, as I understood it, since you re otherwise default and get the check instead.
Great catch!
Tesla changed the radar to Continental with AP2.5. Yes, the AP1.0/2.0 radar was made by Bosch. The information was found in Autopilot code here. The new radar is expected to have better range. Interestingly, the code also shows that the new radar has two sets of wiring, one called primary and the other secondary wiring.
And they, too, are wrong, as previously explained.
There's only 1 radar- with a redundant connection.
Still only 1 actual radar, just 2 sets of wiring for redundancy.
I'm wondering if their other conclusion about an imminent update to the HW3 computer is right though. Seems they are using past rollout for current prediction. While I hope they are right, I'm skeptical. Looking forward to hearing any updated info on the conf call...