TMC is an independent, primarily volunteer organization that relies on ad revenue to cover its operating costs. Please consider whitelisting TMC on your ad blocker or making a Paypal contribution here: paypal.me/SupportTMC

Can someone help me identify this electrical outlet type?

Discussion in 'Model S: Battery & Charging' started by Slymonkey, Sep 15, 2016.

  1. Slymonkey

    Slymonkey Member

    Joined:
    Aug 9, 2016
    Messages:
    19
    Location:
    Los Angeles, CA
    This is the type of electrical outlet my apartment building is providing for EV charging. I'm not the most knowledgeable about these things, but it doesn't look like a NEMA 14-50 or 14-30. Can someone identify this? Also, do you know if Tesla makes an adapter for this?

    Thanks guys!

    File_000.jpeg
     
  2. JohnSnowNW

    JohnSnowNW Active Member

    Joined:
    Feb 13, 2015
    Messages:
    1,407
    Location:
    Minnesota
    #2 JohnSnowNW, Sep 15, 2016
    Last edited: Sep 15, 2016
  3. AEdennis

    AEdennis Active Member

    Joined:
    Jul 23, 2013
    Messages:
    1,744
    Looks like a NEMA 6-50...

    Tesla used to make an adapter for the Model S/X UMC for that.

    There is still an adapter for the Roadster UMC.
     
  4. Rob_B

    Rob_B Member

    Joined:
    Jun 17, 2016
    Messages:
    10
    Location:
    Redmond
  5. Rocky_H

    Rocky_H Member

    Joined:
    Feb 19, 2015
    Messages:
    891
    Location:
    Boise, ID
    Yes, that is a 6-50, as can be identified from the outlet pictures from any reference sites. Look at the position of the wide and narrow slots versus the ground.
    NEMA connector - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

    As that other thread mentions, you can get an adapter from EVSEAdapters or other places to convert from the 6-50 plug to a 14-50 receptacle. Since they are both 50A outlets, that is a perfectly safe adaptation, and you will not need to do anything manually with the car. It will handle it normally.
     
    • Helpful x 2
  6. Slymonkey

    Slymonkey Member

    Joined:
    Aug 9, 2016
    Messages:
    19
    Location:
    Los Angeles, CA
    You guys are awesome! Thanks much!
     
  7. Skotty

    Skotty 2014 Model S P85

    Joined:
    Jun 27, 2013
    Messages:
    1,440
    Location:
    Kansas City, MO
    Doesn't Tesla have a valid HPWC wiring setup with only 3 wires? Assuming that is still the case, you could use the wiring for it to install a Tesla HPWC (the HPWC would need to have it's max amperage set appropriately to match). Another option, and something I use, is a J1772 L2 charger that can plug into a NEMA 6-50 outlet. This is nice if you want to be able to charge any electric car at a decent overnight rate without using a mobile charge cord. They are usually limited to maybe 30 amps 240 volts, but that is still fast enough for overnight charging. The GE Wattstation is one example of a J1772 charger that had (and may still have) a plug in version that plugs into a NEMA 6-50 (the GE Wattstation has been really good; my only minor complaint is that it does buzz a bit when charging).

    With a J1772 charger you still need an adapter for a Tesla, but you don't have to drag out the whole UMC to charge.

    That's my input, though only of interest if you don't want to have to futz with a mobile charge cord.
     
    • Helpful x 2
  8. markb1

    markb1 Active Member

    Joined:
    Feb 17, 2012
    Messages:
    2,318
    Location:
    San Diego, CA
    The HPWC doesn't use the neutral connection at all, so yes, it should safe and legal to install an HPWC in place of this outlet. (The UMC 14-50 adapter also does not use the neutral connection, even though is has a neutral prong.)


    When Model S first came out, before the HPWCs were available, Tesla was recommending that owners who planned to install an HPWC should install a 6-50 receptacle to get going, because that wouldn't require running a neutral wire that would be later abandoned with the HPWC installation. They even included a 6-50 UMC adapter at no extra cost to those owners.
     
  9. Slymonkey

    Slymonkey Member

    Joined:
    Aug 9, 2016
    Messages:
    19
    Location:
    Los Angeles, CA
    That's a cool idea. Saves me the effort to take the mobile one out of my trunk and back every time. Thanks!
     
  10. Petra

    Petra Member

    Joined:
    Jan 31, 2015
    Messages:
    224
    Location:
    Palmdale, CA USA
    OP, for future reference: voltage, current, and NEMA outlet type are usually stamped onto the face of the outlet... just can't read them on your potato picture.

    That said, yes, that looks like a NEMA 6-50.
     
    • Funny x 1
  11. Firewired

    Firewired Member

    Joined:
    May 23, 2013
    Messages:
    367
    Location:
    San Antonio, Texas
  12. Rocky_H

    Rocky_H Member

    Joined:
    Feb 19, 2015
    Messages:
    891
    Location:
    Boise, ID
    Depends on what you are allowed to do there. You did say that outlet was provided by the apartment, so I don't know if you can change it. But if they are open to suggestion, yes, taking the outlet off and putting a J1772 wall charging unit would be much more helpful for everyone with an electric car to use it.
     
  13. markb1

    markb1 Active Member

    Joined:
    Feb 17, 2012
    Messages:
    2,318
    Location:
    San Diego, CA
    I would bet, since the apartment complex provided it for EV charging, that they intend it to be replaced. I believe Tesla is the only manufacturer that included a portable L2 EVSE with their cars, and they don't even sell a 6-50 adapter any more. But the 6-50 is perfect way to terminate a circuit meant for a permanent EVSE, without actually providing an EVSE.
     
  14. Rocky_H

    Rocky_H Member

    Joined:
    Feb 19, 2015
    Messages:
    891
    Location:
    Boise, ID
  15. MorrisonHiker

    MorrisonHiker Beta Tester

    Joined:
    Mar 8, 2015
    Messages:
    1,921
    Location:
    Morrison, Colorado, USA
  16. AndreSF

    AndreSF Member

    Joined:
    Feb 21, 2016
    Messages:
    185
    Location:
    San Francisco, CA
    Hmm, well I guess, first of all to answer your direct question:
    - "Really?"
    - Yes, really. This was in response to a direct OP question about adapter that would work with Tesla charging equipment. There was nothing about "find me the cheapest possible scenario". However, I'm quite sure OP is capable of performing an "extensive" search on the topic of price.
    I did not realize this was a "find the cheapest solution" game, but I commend you for finding the time to look and endorse a less expensive solution. Responding to an innocent link with a valid solution in such manner, just baffles me.

    Good luck!
     
  17. markb1

    markb1 Active Member

    Joined:
    Feb 17, 2012
    Messages:
    2,318
    Location:
    San Diego, CA
  18. supratachophobia

    supratachophobia Active Member

    Joined:
    Sep 24, 2014
    Messages:
    1,996
    Location:
    Columbus, Ohio
    6-50 welding socket.
     

Share This Page