N5329K
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I want to be paid to push an agenda, too. Where do I apply?
Robin
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Car and Driver Model 3 Test - Not Great
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Robin
The good news is the program pays 100 pts for each negative Model 3 post.
The bad news is the points are redeemable for a Chevron gasoline debit card.
Swampgator
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Well fair enough. Not zero. But certainly not extensive. 20K cars a year is not an impressive feat. Gm has already exceeded that rate but nobody would dare to suggest they are masters of battery supply chain management.
Tesla has invested in the battery problem proactively 4 years ago while the major OEMs are just now getting involved in any meaningful way. They are nothing for Tesla to he afraid of. Which company has a chance to grow their market share by 10-20, maybe even 40 times over the next 10-15 years?
BMW, Mercedes, VW???
Also to close this side discussion, here is a story from just a few days ago: "Despite plans to ramp up its electric car production in the coming years, BMW has said that it won't actually mass produce electric cars until at least 2020 due to technology constraints."
voip-ninja
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VW has just announced a massive deal for new batteries, I'll have to find the article.
The biggest 2 technology constraints today:
1) Lack of consumer acceptance.
2) Cost of EV vs ICE technology.
Making inverters, motors, batteries, controls, are not big tech constraints. BMW already makes EVs on production lines.
It's #1 and #2 that are the big obstacles. #1 has best been solved by Tesla, by making exciting EVs that people desire as cars, not just EVs.
Nobody other than Tesla has pulled that off. Yet. BMW sort of pooched this by making an EV that people 'need' instead of 'want'. Design for Form Engineering, and Marketing Technology is needed.
But #2 is plaguing all producers. Technology will bring costs down, but there is not parity yet.
#2 will continue being delayed a little while longer until lithium supply can keep up - Home & grid energy storage is also taking off
That said, if you compare 10 year life cost of Model 3 against similar ICEV (Toyota Camry?) my guess is it still comes out ahead
What I did was subscribe to Car and Driver. When you read a car review and agree with it you get into this paid shill gig.
I think both of those go hand in hand. If the new Leaf of Bolt were under $24,000, I believe consumers would accept them with open arms. If there was an electric replacement for my Saturn Vue for under $50,000, I as a consumer would be all over it.
As to the cost of EV technology, I have to mention China. Batteries are not very complex and are really a commodity product. If the price becomes right for traditional automakers to convert to batteries, China will be there. As impressive as the Giga Factory is; China's factory towns are epic in scale. The Chinese government could quietly delegate a million people to work on battery production ( With all the Blueprints and IP from Tesla and other Leaders)
seattlite2004
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Volkswagen Orders Up $20 Billion In Batteries
LG Chem to supply EV batteries to VW
LG Chem to supply electric car batteries to Volkswagen Group :
"LG Chem has chosen electric battery as their future growth engine and is focusing investment in the business. It has supplied electric car batteries worth a total of 21 trillion won to Volkswagen, 8 trillion won last year and 13 trillion won this year. This means more than half of electric car batteries manufactured by LG Chem goes to Volkswagen Group.
It is reported that LG Chem will produce batteries for the German carmaker in their factories in Poland, which is the company’s electric battery production hub for the European market, and Nanjing, China."
It is reported that LG Chem will produce batteries for the German carmaker in their factories in Poland, which is the company’s electric battery production hub for the European market, and Nanjing, China."
sreams
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Let me put this another way in order to make it clear.
This is Tesla Motors Club, right?
I am a member of the local BMW club. Many kinds of people attend club meetings and events. There are those who own a BMW and think the company can do no wrong. There are those who enjoy the camaraderie. There are those who have issues with their BMWs and are looking for advice or just to share their experiences. There are those considering a BMW and interested in the experiences of owners. There are certainly complaints. I can tell you with 100% certainty that every member of this particular club (or any, for that matter) would find it *very* odd if someone started showing up to the events who had never owned a BMW and spent 100% of his time complaining about the company or its products.
sreams
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Probably lots of places... but you can start with the Philippines:
You Can ACTUALLY Get Paid to TROLL on Social Media and It Pays RM8,500 A Month!
seattlite2004
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Unless you’re a member of a water-cooled VW club, in which case it’s a bunch of guys trying to one-up each other with “My car is a bigger POS than yours.”
Use the rear camera = no navigation screen.It’s not poor visibility if you use the rear camera.
hacer
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Tesla gets cells from Panasonic and Tesla turns them into batteries (packs). BMW buys its packs from Samsung and has little to no experience making batteries. Note that technically a "battery" is a collection of cells. It is common for people to call an individual cell a "battery" but its not technically correct.
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