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I'll tell you. We have gone from 3 molecules of CO2 to 4 molecules of CO2 in 10,000 molecules of air. And we are being led to believe that the one almighty CO2 molecule is the primary driver of climate change.
If I have a 10 ounce glass filled with 9.9 ounces of alcohol and add .2 ounces of water it will spill over, even though the water was only a tiny percentage of the total volume. It doesn't take much to make a balanced system unstable. Additionally you're ignoring the effects of methane emissions, an even more potent greenhouse gas.
 
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I notice this about those on the left. They wish both financial and physical harm onto their political foes.
It's so gratifying to know that people on the right never do this .. as we all know QAnon are in fact a knitting circle run by nice little old ladies, and that teeny-tiny silly little scuffle in the Capitol building in January was clearly faked by nasty bad left-leaning people in conjunction with Bill Gates, China, and Winnie-the-Pooh.
 
We have gone from 3 molecules of CO2 to 4 molecules of CO2 in 10,000 molecules of air. And we are being led to believe that the one almighty CO2 molecule is the primary driver of climate change. "Complete delusional nonsense" says Piers Corbyn.
As I have noted elsewhere...

The human body contains about 4g of Iron, or about 0.008% by mass. Take it away and you have no red blood cells and you die. It's not about the relative amounts of a substance, its about how critical that substance is, and what percentage change in the amount of that substance there is. The same applies to CO2 .. sure it forms a small percentage of the atmosphere. So what?
 
Indeed it does, in geologic time. So what? As I and others have pointed out here many times, the issue isnt if the climate can change without human intervention, its what the consequences to civilization will be, and if we can do anything about it. The fact that it is man-made is, an an odd way, good news, because it means we can do something about it. And we need to.

As for being zealots .. people in glass houses.
Think of what humans used for our fuel source before fossil fuels. Now, think what would have happened to our forests if we did not develop and use fossil fuels as our source of energy. You think that might have affected our environment just a tad? I think fossil fuels have done more to help our environment than harm it when you consider the alternative. One example is whale oil. Don't you think Rockefeller's kerosene was a good substitute? Anyway, this fossil fuel age we are in will only be a mere blip on the climate time scale. My suggestion to everybody is to simply allow our scientists and engineers do their work in developing ALL sources of energy to meet the public demand for electric power and transportation. Government should just butt out of the way. Pointing guns at people's heads and telling them what kind of car they should drive, or what kind of electricity to use serves no useful purpose.
 
Pointing guns at people's heads and telling them what kind of car they should drive, or what kind of electricity to use serves no useful purpose.
Neither does the ridiculous hyperbole you keep spouting such as the above statement. I guess you are unaware of the ways in which the government subsidized oil and gas and literally by pointing and shooting guns in oil wars?
 
While we got 50+ inches of rain in Harvey my house didn’t flood but I did lose my roof during Ike so I understand what’s it’s like to have storm damage and I’m sorry it happened to you.

However your erroneous position on climate change makes it hard to feel sorry for you. The same way it’s hard to feel for someone who denies COVID is anti-mask and anti-vac and ends up in the ICU.


Did you know this specific attribution study of Harvey show climate change contributed an extra 20% to that storm? Would you still have flood if it had dropped 10 less inches of rain?

That’s one of the things I like to point out about climate change everyone is going to pay one way or another. In fact you already have.
One of the authors of the Quantitative Attribution paper is Phil Klotzbach. He was a student of the late great Dr. Bill Gray. So I know the paper is a well written and well thought out paper. If you note in the conclusion, they mentioned post 1980 warming with a slight emphasis on human-caused warming. "We note that the post-1980 warming is not simply due to anthropogenic causes but also likely involves natural climate variability and random weather systems." So they were careful not to claim the extra 20% was anthropogenic only.
 
Think of what humans used for our fuel source before fossil fuels. Now, think what would have happened to our forests if we did not develop and use fossil fuels as our source of energy. You think that might have affected our environment just a tad? I think fossil fuels have done more to help our environment than harm it when you consider the alternative. One example is whale oil. Don't you think Rockefeller's kerosene was a good substitute? Anyway, this fossil fuel age we are in will only be a mere blip on the climate time scale. My suggestion to everybody is to simply allow our scientists and engineers do their work in developing ALL sources of energy to meet the public demand for electric power and transportation. Government should just butt out of the way. Pointing guns at people's heads and telling them what kind of car they should drive, or what kind of electricity to use serves no useful purpose.
No, you don't believe in any such freedom to choose, because you support attempts to distort the playing field by denying that fossil fuels play a part in climate change, and the consequent dangerous impact on human civilization.

And arguing that fossil fuels are good because another alternative would have been worse is invalid and irrelevant.
 
No, you don't believe in any such freedom to choose, because you support attempts to distort the playing field by denying that fossil fuels play a part in climate change, and the consequent dangerous impact on human civilization.

And arguing that fossil fuels are good because another alternative would have been worse is invalid and irrelevant.
There is only one side that is distorting, and that is the side which claims the earth is warming at an unprecedented rate, and will lead to a climate catastrophe.

By the way, have any of you global warming zealots taken a look at the latest global mean temperature anomaly? Here, have a look:


The global mean temperature anomaly for April 2021 is now -0.05 deg. C. This was the same temperature the earth was back in 1980! My, oh my, isn't this just devastating news for our planet?
 
No he didn't but that's completely irrelevant to the point. The wars were fought and subsides were provided, both using tax payer dollars.
Trump got us off of Middle Eastern oil and got us on to Canadian oil, as well as our own. Apparently Biden doesn't like Canadian oil for some reason. He wants to load up oil tankers from the Persian Gulf and bring them back through the Gulf of Mexico to offload their crude at Texas and Louisiana ports again.
 
There is only one side that is distorting, and that is the side which claims the earth is warming at an unprecedented rate, and will lead to a climate catastrophe.

By the way, have any of you global warming zealots taken a look at the latest global mean temperature anomaly? Here, have a look:


The global mean temperature anomaly for April 2021 is now -0.05 deg. C. This was the same temperature the earth was back in 1980! My, oh my, isn't this just devastating news for our planet?
On what basis are those who agree that global warming is real "zealots"? Can that epithet also be applied to you? If not, why not?

In other words, what is it that makes your arguments valid and others arguments invalid? You keep claiming your position is the correct one, and quote sources that support this. That's fine, but others have quoted sources that most definitely disagree with your position. How/why are your sources to be believed, and these contradictory sources to be disbelieved?

If you want to be taken seriously, you need to provide cogent reasons why your sources are credible, and other sources are not. That's called reasoned argument. Calling people names is not a reasoned argument, and contributes nothing to the discussion.
 
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62 year old, likely heavily invested in fossil fuel in his retirement fund, that is my guess thus very financially and emotionally invested to want to believe global warming does not exist.
64 year old and retired. My portfolio follows the Harry Browne (former Libertarian candidate for President of US) model. I roughly have 25% cash, 25% bonds, 25%stocks, and 25% gold. I'm sure my mutual funds and ETFs have some energy stocks. By the way, it was just discovered John Kerry owned oil company stocks!
 
On what basis are those who agree that global warming is real "zealots"? Can that epithet also be applied to you? If not, why not?

In other words, what is it that makes your arguments valid and others arguments invalid? You keep claiming your position is the correct one, and quote sources that support this. That's fine, but others have quoted sources that most definitely disagree with your position. How/why are your sources to be believed, and these contradictory sources to be disbelieved?

If you want to be taken seriously, you need to provide cogent reasons why your sources are credible, and other sources are not. That's called reasoned argument. Calling people names is not a reasoned argument, and contributes nothing to the discussion.
The reason why I call you global warming zealots is because you inject political action into your beliefs about the climate. I am not the one trying to mandate what kind of car you should drive, or what kind of electric power plan you should buy. I believe the free market plus the consumer should decide that. I suppose I can call y'all "climate change activists" to be less harsh. Global warmunists is another term I like. The difference between someone like you and someone like me is that I don't tell you how to live your life. But people like you do tell your fellow citizens how to live theirs. People like you want to punish others if they buy a pickup truck or SUV with higher taxes. You want to raise their taxes (carbon tax) if they use an energy source derived from coal or petroleum. You basically just want to raise the cost of energy on the middle class and the poor. Doing so only makes them poorer, which means you have no regard for them. Most of them are Trump voters, so why do you give a crap?

So, that explains why I call you zealots. You want to harm the lives of those beneath your economic stature through your political-climate activism. I want the general public to have available to them whatever makes the most economic sense.
 
See this is what I mean about physics denial. We’ve known for over a century how CO2 interacts with light but here you are denying straight up physics.
Not denying anything. There is a real scientific debate going on amongst atmospheric researchers today about how much of an effect CO2 has on our climate. They argue over the equations and feedback. If you don't believe me, just go to Dr. Spencer's blog page and you can see the pro and con AGW researchers debate on his site. They delve into the physics of the atmosphere, and interpret the loads of data that is available. Some of them are solar physicists, and they argue from that angle as well.
 
The reason why I call you global warming zealots is because you inject political action into your beliefs about the climate. I am not the one trying to mandate what kind of car you should drive, or what kind of electric power plan you should buy. I believe the free market plus the consumer should decide that. I suppose I can call y'all "climate change activists" to be less harsh. Global warmunists is another term I like. The difference between someone like you and someone like me is that I don't tell you how to live your life. But people like you do tell your fellow citizens how to live theirs. People like you want to punish others if they buy a pickup truck or SUV with higher taxes. You want to raise their taxes (carbon tax) if they use an energy source derived from coal or petroleum. You basically just want to raise the cost of energy on the middle class and the poor. Doing so only makes them poorer, which means you have no regard for them. Most of them are Trump voters, so why do you give a crap?

So, that explains why I call you zealots. You want to harm the lives of those beneath your economic stature through your political-climate activism. I want the general public to have available to them whatever makes the most economic sense.
Please quote any post of mine in which I have expressed an opinion, even indirectly, about any of the political agendas you quote and accuse me of holding.

Also, please answer the main point of my post .. why are your arguments/opinions about climate change valid, while others are invalid?
 
Please quote any post of mine in which I have expressed an opinion, even indirectly, about any of the political agendas you quote and accuse me of holding.

Also, please answer the main point of my post .. why are your arguments/opinions about climate change valid, while others are invalid?
I don't quote. I surmise. Now tell me this. Did I surmise correctly about your beliefs in climate-based political activism?

I consider the pro AGW advocates to have faulty arguments because they ignore what has happened in the past. Much of what is happening now has already happened in the early 20th Century. Then it got cold from the late 1950s through the early 1980s. From the late 1980s into the 2000s it got warm again. But this time, the latest warming trend came with a theory that our CO2 emissions caused it. And this theory was latched onto by those with an authoritarian-socialist ideology. Because this gave them an opportunity to control the masses and confiscate their earnings. As Dr. Richard Lindzen has stated, "those who control carbon, control life." He also observed that politicians are always trying to find out ways to raise tax dollars from their constituents. If the politicians can convince the taxpayers they need to pay more taxes to save the planet, then they would be more willing to pay.