Climate Change / Global Warming Discussion

[mspohr]

'Greenwashing': fossil fuel execs to hold invite-only forum at UN climate summit

“But it’s a fool’s errand to find industry-led, voluntary initiatives resulting in the changes needed because it is manifestly against the financial interests of oil companies to stop extracting the Earth’s resources. These meetings do show that they are worried, and probably admit to themselves that the game’s up – but there’s still too much money to be made.”

 

[mspohr]

This startup lets you subscribe to support an army of drones that’s planting millions of trees

If a trillion trees are planted on all of the land on the planet that’s available for reforestation, scientists have calculated that it could capture two-thirds of the carbon that humans have emitted since the industrial revolution. A new startup launched today with the wildly ambitious goal to plant those trees—and it plans to plant the majority using drones.

 

[mspohr]

Great short clip from Greta Thunberg.
Plant trees!

Greta Thunberg: ‘We are ignoring natural climate solutions’

 

[nwdiver]

Great short clip from Greta Thunberg.
Plant trees!

Greta Thunberg: ‘We are ignoring natural climate solutions’

I’ve ‘planted’ the equivalent of ~200,000. But they’re blue and can’t die

 

[mspohr]

Biodiversity touches every aspect of our lives – so why has its loss been ignored?

The evidence is unequivocal: biodiversity, important in its own right and essential for current and future generations, is being destroyed by human activities at a rate unprecedented in human history.

 

[mspohr]

Climate change is morally wrong. It is time for a carbon abolition movement | Eric Beinhocker

Human-induced climate change is a moral wrong. It involves one group of humans harming others. People of this generation harming those in future generations. People in the developed world harming those in the developing world. Each of us is emitting carbon that is harming those caught in climate-driven superstorms, floods, droughts and conflicts. And there’s the greatest moral wrong of all – the mass extinction event we have triggered that harms all life on Earth.

 

[rays427]

Great short clip from Greta Thunberg.
Plant trees!

Greta Thunberg: ‘We are ignoring natural climate solutions’

If it wasn't for fossil fuels there wouldn't be any trees. I live in the foothills of the Sierra Nevada Mountains. During the gold rush, by1880 all the trees from Sacramento about 3/4ths of the way towards Lake Tahoe had been cut down for steam power. Take a look at pictures around Lake Tahoe in the 1880's and you will see about 3/4 of the trees had also been cut down to provide power for the mining operations. So what do you think our planet would now look like if fossil fuels had never been used?

 

[rays427]

Climate change is morally wrong. It is time for a carbon abolition movement | Eric Beinhocker

Human-induced climate change is a moral wrong. It involves one group of humans harming others. People of this generation harming those in future generations. People in the developed world harming those in the developing world. Each of us is emitting carbon that is harming those caught in climate-driven superstorms, floods, droughts and conflicts. And there’s the greatest moral wrong of all – the mass extinction event we have triggered that harms all life on Earth.

So what are you willing to give up? We could all go back to living like our ancestors. No real need for smart phones, televisions, dishwashers, washing machines, heating and air conditioning, etc, etc. By the way if you look at the data there are no more super storms, floods and droughts than in the past.

 

[SageBrush]

If it wasn't for fossil fuels there wouldn't be any trees. I live in the foothills of the Sierra Nevada Mountains. During the gold rush, by1880 all the trees from Sacramento about 3/4ths of the way towards Lake Tahoe had been cut down for steam power. Take a look at pictures around Lake Tahoe in the 1880's and you will see about 3/4 of the trees had also been cut down to provide power for the mining operations. So what do you think our planet would now look like if fossil fuels had never been used?

I take it your choice is to kill the forests from pollution and climate change.

You are a true ray of sunshine.

 

[jerry33]

If it wasn't for fossil fuels there wouldn't be any trees. I live in the foothills of the Sierra Nevada Mountains. During the gold rush, by1880 all the trees from Sacramento about 3/4ths of the way towards Lake Tahoe had been cut down for steam power. Take a look at pictures around Lake Tahoe in the 1880's and you will see about 3/4 of the trees had also been cut down to provide power for the mining operations. So what do you think our planet would now look like if fossil fuels had never been used?

Fossil fuels were a solution to wood burning and horse pollution when there were far fewer people. Now fossil fuels have become a big problem and the fix is to switch to renewables, as no country other than Japan has made any meaningful strides in population reduction.

 

[JRP3]

If it wasn't for fossil fuels there wouldn't be any trees. I live in the foothills of the Sierra Nevada Mountains. During the gold rush, by1880 all the trees from Sacramento about 3/4ths of the way towards Lake Tahoe had been cut down for steam power. Take a look at pictures around Lake Tahoe in the 1880's and you will see about 3/4 of the trees had also been cut down to provide power for the mining operations. So what do you think our planet would now look like if fossil fuels had never been used?

Irrelevant.

 

[nwdiver]

So what are you willing to give up?

?????? How about we just use wind and solar for energy?????? WTF is wrong with you ????

Did you miss the 2nd 1:1000 year flooding Houston has had in 2 years?

 

[S'toon]

Dozens of people will undertake a "funeral march" up a steep Swiss mountainside on Sunday to mark the disappearance of an Alpine glacier amid growing global alarm over climate change.

The Pizol "has lost so much substance that from a scientific perspective it is no longer a glacier," Alessandra Degiacomi, of the Swiss Association for Climate Protection, told AFP.

The organisation which helped organise Sunday's march said around 100 people were due to take part in the event, set to take place as the UN gathers youth activists and world leaders in New York to mull the action needed to curb global warming.

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Full article at:
Swiss to hold high-altitude wake for lost glacier

 

[rays427]

I take it your choice is to kill the forests from pollution and climate change.

You are a true ray of sunshine.

There are more trees in the US than 100 years ago. In addition CO2 helps plants grow and is actually helping green the planet. However, overall the number of trees is going down because of what is going on in other countries. If you look at Haiti versus Dominican Republic you can see what happens when you do not have access to fossil fuels. Haiti is almost devoid of trees because they do not have ready access to fossil fuels..

 

[JRP3]

In addition CO2 helps plants grow and is actually helping green the planet.

False. In truth higher CO2 than plants have evolved for cause plants to become weaker and more susceptible to disease and stress. They also become less nutritious. Just because excess CO2 may make plants bigger doesn't mean they are better.

 

[JRP3]

Haiti is almost devoid of trees because they do not have ready access to fossil fuels.

They also don't have ready access to solar, wind, and battery storage. The solution to problems is not always "fossil fuels".

 

[Norbert]

If it wasn't for fossil fuels there wouldn't be any trees. I live in the foothills of the Sierra Nevada Mountains. During the gold rush, by1880 all the trees from Sacramento about 3/4ths of the way towards Lake Tahoe had been cut down for steam power. Take a look at pictures around Lake Tahoe in the 1880's and you will see about 3/4 of the trees had also been cut down to provide power for the mining operations. So what do you think our planet would now look like if fossil fuels had never been used?

Indeed such things as fossil fuel are not good or bad in themselves. It depends on the situation, the context, the time, the place.

Just as the time for steam power has been over, now the days for fossil fuel are counted.

 

[SageBrush]

There are more trees in the US than 100 years ago. In addition CO2 helps plants grow and is actually helping green the planet. However, overall the number of trees is going down because of what is going on in other countries. If you look at Haiti versus Dominican Republic you can see what happens when you do not have access to fossil fuels. Haiti is almost devoid of trees because they do not have ready access to fossil fuels..

This is no longer 1912. We have a better choice than fossils. A MUCH better choice

 

[mspohr]

Indeed such things as fossil fuel are not good or bad in themselves. It depends on the situation, the context, the time, the place.

Just as the time for steam power has been over, now the days for fossil fuel are counted.

I think we can conclusively say that fossil fuels are bad. They have destroyed our environment and caused the extinction of life.

 

[mspohr]

Why Degrowth is the Only Responsible Way Forward - Resilience

To sustain the natural basis of our life, we must slow down. We have to reduce the amount of extraction, pollution, and waste throughout our economy. This implies less production, less consumption, and probably also less work.

The responsibility to do so must lie mainly on the rich, who currently enjoy a disproportionate share of our resources.

Imagine what could be if we organized democratically to produce what we actually need, distributed those resources fairly, and shared them in common. This, in a nutshell, is the vision of degrowth: a good life for all within planetary boundaries.
Philips points towards the fact that net deforestation ceases in rich countries. But this is mainly because agricultural production is outsourced to poorer ones. The study he uses to show the increase in global tree-cover also shows an alarming reduction in tropical areas. The recent Amazon fires in Brazil, for example, are connected to increased deforestation efforts for agricultural expansion in the territory of the world’s 22nd largest export economy.