Climate Change / Global Warming Discussion

[ggies07]

And how about this one.....

A Rockefeller explains: Why I lost faith in Exxon Mobil, and donated my shares - LA Times

I lost faith in Exxon Mobil's future value. A prime reason is that Exxon's valuation is based largely on the immense untapped reserves of oil and gas it owns. And yet if future generations are to inherit a livable world, most of those reserves must stay in the ground.

And this is why the Divestment campaign was started like three years ago because people knew the end game.

 

[beeeerock]

And this is why the Divestment campaign was started like three years ago because people knew the end game.

Too bad institutes of higher learning aren't smart enough to do the same...:

UBC Rejects Divestment against of Students and Faculty, Says Campaigner | The Tyee

My best guess is that they've lost too much recently and would like to gamble on a recovery of sorts before selling off.

Or they're just stupid.

Ironically, it's my Alma Mater... unfortunately I have to go with my second suggestion based on my own experiences there... :crying:

 

[ohmman]

My best guess is that they've lost too much recently and would like to gamble on a recovery of sorts before selling off.

That wouldn't be a terrible strategy, honestly. So long as the end product is the sell off.

 

[ggies07]

Too bad institutes of higher learning aren't smart enough to do the same...:

UBC Rejects Divestment against of Students and Faculty, Says Campaigner | The Tyee

My best guess is that they've lost too much recently and would like to gamble on a recovery of sorts before selling off.

Or they're just stupid.

Ironically, it's my Alma Mater... unfortunately I have to go with my second suggestion based on my own experiences there... :crying:

Well that's sad.....

Here is a list of universities that have, some big names in here:

 

[beeeerock]

That wouldn't be a terrible strategy, honestly. So long as the end product is the sell off.

Given the vocal opposition, if that was their plan I would have expected them to say "we will sell off our holdings as the market allows, in such a way as to maximize our returns"

But they didn't... so who knows.

 

[ggies07]

This is a nice little video from Neil deGrasse

Neil deGrasse Tyson on climate change deniers - Business Insider

 

[Tinky]

Point counter point

This is a nice little video from Neil deGrasse

Neil deGrasse Tyson on climate change deniers - Business Insider

Australian geologist Ian Plimer addressing the UK Govt. A lengthy but entertaining discourse on climate change.
https://www.youtube.com/embed/iEPW_P7GVB8
























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[TheTalkingMule]

Australian geologist Ian Plimer addressing the UK Govt. A lengthy but entertaining discourse on climate change.

Seriously? "Geologist" means mining industry employee in Australia.

 

[beeeerock]

Seriously? "Geologist" means mining industry employee in Australia.

If by 'mining industry' you mean 'coal mining industry' and by 'employee', you mean 'shill', then yes...

 

[TheTalkingMule]

If by 'mining industry' you mean 'coal mining industry' and by 'employee', you mean 'shill', then yes...

Nothing wrong with making an argument to protect your revenue stream. Certainly something wrong with believing it......

 

[Tinky]

Before we raise poor people's energy prices let us not go overboard with the full on assault against fossil fuels.
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US Oil Exports Mark Shift in Global Power


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[nwdiver]

Before we raise poor people's energy prices let us not go overboard with the full on assault against fossil fuels.
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US Oil Exports Mark Shift in Global Power


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That's why any carbon tax should be progressively revenue neutral. How about a $30/ton tax and the proceeds only go to those earning <$50k.. the poor would actually get MORE $$$.

 

[Tinky]

As long as China and India do the same at the same time. We are tired of being the suckers in this game

 

[JRP3]

By "suckers" I guess you mean moving more towards sustainable energy use while creating good jobs?

 

[nwdiver]

As long as China and India do the same at the same time. We are tired of being the suckers in this game

China's not the one lagging...

On a GDP basis India is exceeding the US...

We need to take personal responsibility.

 

[Tinky]

Tell that to all the workers lost their jobs in the oil patch and the coal industry. They can't all work on windmills

 

[ggies07]

Tell that to all the workers lost their jobs in the oil patch and the coal industry. They can't all work on windmills

Hahahaha. And where did you come from?

Please, it's called being proactive. If they are hearing, seeing, or reading that their industry is dying, they should understand this and look for installation jobs with solar companies.

Technology advancement has changed our way of life several times over, you can't stop it. Dirty energy is over.

 

[JRP3]

Tell that to all the workers lost their jobs in the oil patch and the coal industry. They can't all work on windmills

So in your world we should keep the horrible jobs in the coal mines and not create better jobs in solar installation. I suppose there were people worried about jobs in the stables when new jobs were opening up in gas stations.

 

[nwdiver]

Tell that to all the workers lost their jobs in the oil patch and the coal industry. They can't all work on windmills

The future will be a paradise or purgatory... our choice. Work for the sake of work is a fools errand. Doubly so when it's harmful like extracting oil and coal.

Oil and coal workers... your services are no longer required... here's a stipend... go live your life as you see fit.

 

[AudubonB]

Australian geologist Ian Plimer addressing the UK Govt. A lengthy but entertaining discourse on climate change.
https://www.youtube.com/embed/iEPW_P7GVB8​

I could get through only the first 1m20s of his so-called discourse before I had to leave him to his dissimulation and outright fabrications. He misrepresents carbon sequestration, he engages in a straw-man fallacy regarding sea level change, he outright lies about the earth's history of temperature and climate change - all within his first eighty seconds.

And as far as telling coalfield, oilfield, etc. workers that their jobs are in peril? Yes, that is the correct course of action. Just as three decades ago Margaret Thatcher was excoriated by the left for standing up to Arthur Scargill and the UK's coal industry - the appropriate thing to do WAS to force those workers out of their jobs; the same is true today - EVEN THOUGH the proximal reasons seem to be far different, they are, in fact, identical: hard, cold economics. It is less expensive for society to catch them in the appropriate safety nets now rather than to let the canker that is the industry they are in to continue. First, because it is beyond time to own up to the true economic cost of same - by internalizing their externalities - and second, because the longer such employment is permitted to continue, the more expensive it is for the next generation, or the next, or the next, to pay that inexorable piper.


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