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Agreed. Yesterday a guy in an audi told me he was envious of my Tesla. They have built quite the brand...
So this 6-seat configuration matches that of our current Town and Country.
To sum it up:
-Lose armrests on captain second row seats (huge comfort while riding)
-Lose recline of both 2nd/3rd row (another comfort and necessary for proper installation of various car seats for proper leveling/fit)
-Lose flush fold down feature of 2nd, possibly 3rd row
-Lose large well storage in rear and in front of 2nd row with seats in upright position.
It seems like the functionality on this vehicle is extremely limited barring some extraordinary surprises on the reveal. Was hoping for replacement of the minivan with the X but doesn't look like this will fit our needs. Far too many compromises. Been very happy with day to day life using our Town and Country through summer and winter. The versatility of seating/storage is much appreciated. Will just have to wait and see what Chrysler will come up with for their Plug In Town and Country hybrid in the works or logical improvements on the X in '16-'17 --- Seems like any reservations now are for Beta vehicles.
To sum it up:
-Lose armrests on captain second row seats (huge comfort while riding)
-Lose recline of both 2nd/3rd row (another comfort and necessary for proper installation of various car seats for proper leveling/fit)
-Lose flush fold down feature of 2nd, possibly 3rd row
-Lose large well storage in rear and in front of 2nd row with seats in upright position.
It seems like the functionality on this vehicle is extremely limited barring some extraordinary surprises on the reveal. Was hoping for replacement of the minivan with the X but doesn't look like this will fit our needs. Far too many compromises. Been very happy with day to day life using our Town and Country through summer and winter. The versatility of seating/storage is much appreciated. Will just have to wait and see what Chrysler will come up with for their Plug In Town and Country hybrid in the works or logical improvements on the X in '16-'17 --- Seems like any reservations now are for Beta vehicles.
I just wanted to point out that the "bike in the back" picture clearly shows that the backs are separate all the way down to where they go behind the folded 3rd row. It would be highly unlikely to produce separate seatbacks like that if they were locked into a single moving bench. Even a 60/40 split would attach the middle seat to one of the others for improved strength.
From the front (3/4 view) pictures of the middle row (which are fairly close), the cushions all have separations between the 3 seating posititions, and the overhead picture on the config thread showing the heated surfaces (which is at more of a distance) clearly shows that the cushions separate very linearly along the entire length of the seatback and the bottom cushion.
Unless they created 3 independent shells and then bolted them together, or unless there is a 3rd piece of hardware where they are all formed as one piece, I doubt there will be a "locked bench" seat.
From the front (3/4 view) pictures of the middle row (which are fairly close), the cushions all have separations between the 3 seating posititions, and the overhead picture on the config thread showing the heated surfaces (which is at more of a distance) clearly shows that the cushions separate very linearly along the entire length of the seatback and the bottom cushion.
Unless they created 3 independent shells and then bolted them together, or unless there is a 3rd piece of hardware where they are all formed as one piece, I doubt there will be a "locked bench" seat.
I agree with all of your conclusions.
Except they are made based on CGI artwork showing, perhaps, just as much as Tesla wants to show.
Pale Rider
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I share some of these same concerns. I held off on a reservation until January of this year, though I had all but pushed the button several times last year. The 2d/3d seat issue and its evolution have been of particular concern for me, because the X is intended to replace an aging Escalade in our family. That car, though it has plenty of compromises and is a hassle to switch seats, and is long past being fun to drive, does what we need it to do. It will be a hard sell to spend this kind of money in exchange for significantly less day-to-day functionality. Looking forward to the Reveal.
CarlK
Active Member
Not sure what you're talking about. There was never a 2nd/3rd row seat issue until a few weeks ago when the first design was shown.
Always welcome the first post of a new registrant though.
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Pale Rider
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Carl, thanks for your reply, and forgive me for being less than clear. I didn't say that the 2d/3d seat issue kept me from pushing the button last year, though I can see why you might have read my post that way. I just said I didn't push the button until January, and a big part of what got me there was reviewing and re-watching the intro videos; the functionality of the 2d/3d rows, and their storage capacity were big drivers for me. The seat issue that has arisen in the last few weeks has me quite concerned, because as other posters have noted, if the indicators are correct, we aren't going to get quite what we hoped for, and realistically a bit less than many other less capable and costly vehicles offer. Am hoping the unveiling might help to justify the hype in Musk's references to the seating.
ssq
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I just want to agree with the group saying that the 2nd row has independently controlled seats (forward/backward) via the "L" shaped button from the Design Studio photo. Elon has mentioned in the past that he wanted a way to easily align them, and I believe that's what the big rounded silver "handle" is for. It will somehow be involved with being able to move all 3 seats simultaneously (e.g. hold a button down behind this silver handle while pulling the seats forward/backward). Alternatively, these may be controllable via the touch-screen to set them in a uniform position.
I also believe that the 6-seat option is identical to the 7-seat with the middle 2nd row removed (and missing the pedestal cut-out in the floor).
I also want to make the point that the first people ordering (online) an iPhone 6s typically have to "trust" Apple and buy it without trying it out. Mind you, it is a much cheaper purchase, but to some it's just as big a purchase as a Tesla. Similarly, Tesla had built up some trust with their customers and they have to careful with that store. They may have lost some of that trust store due to their recent PR missteps, but it's not too late to recover from it.
I also believe that the 6-seat option is identical to the 7-seat with the middle 2nd row removed (and missing the pedestal cut-out in the floor).
I also want to make the point that the first people ordering (online) an iPhone 6s typically have to "trust" Apple and buy it without trying it out. Mind you, it is a much cheaper purchase, but to some it's just as big a purchase as a Tesla. Similarly, Tesla had built up some trust with their customers and they have to careful with that store. They may have lost some of that trust store due to their recent PR missteps, but it's not too late to recover from it.
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When it comes to mass produced safety, what 99.9 percent of responsible parents do is almost irrelevant. If one in a thousand kids move the seat with a sibling's arm in it; Tesla is practically chopping off kids arms. Design has to speak to the lowest denominator and I think there is some value in what BerTX said and Tesla should think about some safety control over how the three seats move.
ssq
Member
There could be a failsafe mechanism wherein the seat sliding mechanism disengages beyond a certain threshold of "resistance/obstruction". Somewhat akin to torsion control screwdrivers (?)
To be fair, the average sale price of an Audi is around 48 thousand. Tesla has done amazing things by being able to sell its product at such a high price and the high price automatically gives Tesla some credit as luxurious and exclusive. What will happen when all automakers are playing on the same 40-55 thousand dollar playing field is a different matter. I think Tesla will do well, I just wouldn't underestimate the power or a German Badge.
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Yes, and I'm sure Tesla has done this, if not I hope that Tesla's people read these forms and saw the original post of a possible problem and would work to fix it. My issue was someone saying that he has well behaved kids so its not a problem; when anything in a car that can hurt a badly behaved kid is a problem for the company.
SW2Fiddler
We Are Cognitive Dissidents
Unless the seats have Ludicrous acceleration, little sister (we're assuming she's younger than Johnny, right?) should have time to extract her arm from that padded, artfully sculptured maw of seatback pincer doom. I am more concerned about Johnny (or Mom&Dad) closing car doors on either kid, but ironically not so with regard to the X's rear doors, with the obstacular sensors I am imagining they have.
It's a no-brainer to have a auto-reverse system on the seats, just like on basically every electric window delivered today.
I seriously hope Tesla isn't actually intending on delivering seats that don't individually move. This is an even worse solution than non-folding 2nd row seats. Now you can't have one or two seats in use in the 2nd row while carrying long cargo. Long cargo now means a maximum of three seats in use, two in the front row and one in the 3rd row. Also it means you can't carry long narrow items diagonally across the cargo space, by having two seats all the way forward and one seat all the way back.
But I guess we'll know more in about 24 hours.
I seriously hope Tesla isn't actually intending on delivering seats that don't individually move. This is an even worse solution than non-folding 2nd row seats. Now you can't have one or two seats in use in the 2nd row while carrying long cargo. Long cargo now means a maximum of three seats in use, two in the front row and one in the 3rd row. Also it means you can't carry long narrow items diagonally across the cargo space, by having two seats all the way forward and one seat all the way back.
But I guess we'll know more in about 24 hours.
Ufrugger
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Mark Z
Active Member
The console is in a Founder X. Not an option. Being considered.
My advisor wasn't 100% right. The 2nd row is separately adjustable but does move as a group for ease of entry.
Figured Ash did not have a glossy finish. Looked nice.
Rear seat passengers will find the wheel wells need arm rests. Not likely. But nice headroom!
Three adults in the 2nd row is more comfortable than Model S rear seat.
My advisor wasn't 100% right. The 2nd row is separately adjustable but does move as a group for ease of entry.
Figured Ash did not have a glossy finish. Looked nice.
Rear seat passengers will find the wheel wells need arm rests. Not likely. But nice headroom!
Three adults in the 2nd row is more comfortable than Model S rear seat.
The 6-seat option wasn't planned. The story I heard from a manager working on the seats is the wife of a VP was using the X and thought the easier access and extra space was worth the sacrifice of the 7th seat, and Tesla ran with it. The two end seats will need armrests, and it sounds like it's coming, but not right away.
The new seats are very comfortable.
The new seats are very comfortable.
I guess we'll see the final design for a center console before long. I think it's a very good idea.
The config 4 very comfortable seats + 2 fairly comfortable seats makes just as much sense as 2 very comfortable seats + 5 fairly comfortable seats. Both configs have more seats than the standard 5 seat config you find in most cars, and add utility/comfort.
I just hope the center console is removable, collapsible or something similar, so that the gap can be used to carry skis and similar objects when needed.
The config 4 very comfortable seats + 2 fairly comfortable seats makes just as much sense as 2 very comfortable seats + 5 fairly comfortable seats. Both configs have more seats than the standard 5 seat config you find in most cars, and add utility/comfort.
I just hope the center console is removable, collapsible or something similar, so that the gap can be used to carry skis and similar objects when needed.
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