Good video. It's nice to see people who really care about practicality (at least in the world of being a prepper etc.) pick up on the features.
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CT as a bug out vehicle
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Good video. It's nice to see people who really care about practicality (at least in the world of being a prepper etc.) pick up on the features.
MichaelP90DL
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I imagine it will be featured in a movie as a bug-out vehicle. 
jebinc
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Would make for a better “bug out” vehicle than most, save for needing an operating electrical infrastructure... with ICE, you can stockpile gas in 55gal drums at your bunker! Think Mad Max-Road Warrior!
Xenoilphobe
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That 55 gallons will be gone in a day, stay within 100 miles of your home base and charge it off solar during the day, move at night, with your low signature vehicle.
jebinc
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Well, that depends what the reason for bugging out was, no? If a nuclear winter was upon us, or an asteroid strike where the cause (for illustrative purposes only), no solar could be harnessed, but thousands of gallons of fuel underground could serve your needs better. If we were faced with a zombie apocalypse (or other mad-human scenario), surface level solar panels would be destroyed by the raging masses, no? Just sayin’....
Xenoilphobe
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Yeah, I'm not in the you must move category, but your point is valid on surface events that would destroy infrastructure.
I'd argue the only reason to have a CT as a bug out vehicle is so that you can move? ;-)
Although I'd generally agree that it would make a good BOV it really depends on the event and where you are located. I see economical (banking) and geopolitical events as the most likely threat, with the resulting disturbance in goods and services flow leading to an overall hyperinflation event, rending most things unaffordable, leading to heightened crime rates/marshal law etc. There's a few countries this is happening already, and the effects of that aren't really solved by a BOV by itself, without a proper exfil plan, and the ability to execute it.
The most reasonable use of a BOV is for short term survival and escape until you can move into a region of higher stability. The question then is do you have enough resources to get there (range/food etc) and do you have a route that is passable. Range is very dependent on what roads you have to take to get to your destination, what places you need to avoid to get there (like cities or gangs) and of course the reason for the move in the first place (are you being pursued/displaced). These are not trivial matters as can be seen with refugee movements in the middle east and often don't result in where you wanted to end up, and with what.
In the case of the CT, long term it will fair much better than a ICE as a BOV because:
Although I'd generally agree that it would make a good BOV it really depends on the event and where you are located. I see economical (banking) and geopolitical events as the most likely threat, with the resulting disturbance in goods and services flow leading to an overall hyperinflation event, rending most things unaffordable, leading to heightened crime rates/marshal law etc. There's a few countries this is happening already, and the effects of that aren't really solved by a BOV by itself, without a proper exfil plan, and the ability to execute it.
The most reasonable use of a BOV is for short term survival and escape until you can move into a region of higher stability. The question then is do you have enough resources to get there (range/food etc) and do you have a route that is passable. Range is very dependent on what roads you have to take to get to your destination, what places you need to avoid to get there (like cities or gangs) and of course the reason for the move in the first place (are you being pursued/displaced). These are not trivial matters as can be seen with refugee movements in the middle east and often don't result in where you wanted to end up, and with what.
In the case of the CT, long term it will fair much better than a ICE as a BOV because:
- It can use a local embedded, low cost solution for charging with wind, solar, micro-hydro etc. Or a trailer with large solar array that can be taken with unlike a large heavy fuel horde. You can also still use fuel to charge with a generator resulting in better range than a ICE per unit of fuel if required anyway. Conversely, fuel is not local, needs refining, needs distribution, fuel storage degrades over time, and is a external element that needs a functioning trade method to operate, meaning there is no way a small group or individual has control over it like with a CT/EV powered by local RE and "power" will remain with those that control the fuel (normally by force).
- The CT has barely any serviceable or wearing parts, of which all spares can easily fit in the vehicle at all times. SS body, 240V for welding repairs and powertools, plus a likely 1million mile battery make this a "long term" solution to mobility, which a ICE can't compete with. (only negative is electronics and limited capacitor life)
- Having a conveniently useable power source for 240V/110V that can move energy capacity from point of source to point of use when the network fails, is asset that can be traded with those without it, let alone enables services to be offered for construction, transportation even farming etc. in exchange for whatever one doesn't have themselves.
- Being an EV it is quiet, so also ideal for moving at night which is the ideal time to travel through dodgy areas, however being a CT means everyone knows what it is and what they want to have...
Oh, I don't know... it is more bullet proof than my house even if it never leaves the driveway.
As a vehicle it would make sense, but the question is why you need to bug out in the first place, and travel where it is better than where you are right now. "Prepping" is not as much as being prepared for how to get somewhere that is safer as it is to make sure you are in a safer place, in the first place.
Yup, Be Prepared.
jebinc
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Perhaps we will be surprised if Tesla allows additional battery packs to be plugged in to the bed (or elsewhere) for additional range - be it Tesla packs or 3rd party packs. If that were the case, you could store (and keep charged) as many packs as you wanted in your bunker!I'd argue the only reason to have a CT as a bug out vehicle is so that you can move? ;-)
Although I'd generally agree that it would make a good BOV it really depends on the event and where you are located. I see economical (banking) and geopolitical events as the most likely threat, with the resulting disturbance in goods and services flow leading to an overall hyperinflation event, rending most things unaffordable, leading to heightened crime rates/marshal law etc. There's a few countries this is happening already, and the effects of that aren't really solved by a BOV by itself, without a proper exfil plan, and the ability to execute it.
The most reasonable use of a BOV is for short term survival and escape until you can move into a region of higher stability. The question then is do you have enough resources to get there (range/food etc) and do you have a route that is passable. Range is very dependent on what roads you have to take to get to your destination, what places you need to avoid to get there (like cities or gangs) and of course the reason for the move in the first place (are you being pursued/displaced). These are not trivial matters as can be seen with refugee movements in the middle east and often don't result in where you wanted to end up, and with what.
In the case of the CT, long term it will fair much better than a ICE as a BOV because:
As a vehicle it would make sense, but the question is why you need to bug out in the first place, and travel where it is better than where you are right now. "Prepping" is not as much as being prepared for how to get somewhere that is safer as it is to make sure you are in a safer place, in the first place.
- It can use a local embedded, low cost solution for charging with wind, solar, micro-hydro etc. Or a trailer with large solar array that can be taken with unlike a large heavy fuel horde. You can also still use fuel to charge with a generator resulting in better range than a ICE per unit of fuel if required anyway. Conversely, fuel is not local, needs refining, needs distribution, fuel storage degrades over time, and is a external element that needs a functioning trade method to operate, meaning there is no way a small group or individual has control over it like with a CT/EV powered by local RE and "power" will remain with those that control the fuel (normally by force).
- The CT has barely any serviceable or wearing parts, of which all spares can easily fit in the vehicle at all times. SS body, 240V for welding repairs and powertools, plus a likely 1million mile battery make this a "long term" solution to mobility, which a ICE can't compete with. (only negative is electronics and limited capacitor life)
- Having a conveniently useable power source for 240V/110V that can move energy capacity from point of source to point of use when the network fails, is asset that can be traded with those without it, let alone enables services to be offered for construction, transportation even farming etc. in exchange for whatever one doesn't have themselves.
- Being an EV it is quiet, so also ideal for moving at night which is the ideal time to travel through dodgy areas, however being a CT means everyone knows what it is and what they want to have...
jebinc
Well-Known Member
Not a "pack swap," but rather a supplemental pack "add." Think cell phone with an extended use battery attached...I'd be very surprised if they go back to doing the battery swap thing. Batteries are also expensive, cheaper to install solar and use that as it keeps on giving power from the sun.
But a second CT might work alright. Just need V2V charging.
jerjozwik
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interesting take, thought the writing on the wall is starting to appear about the base model. i really hope it still comes to market.
Well I suppose if you did go for a addon pack type thing maybe intgrate further into some other systems. Say the pack could be used standalone for powering the ATV and maybe the house as well. Would have to be proportioned so it was light enough to handle, so max 20kg.
At 207Wh/kg that would only be about 4kWh per addon pack though. Would be enough for thr ATV for about an hour or so. About a third of what you'd want for a house. Still doable. I wished we could buy cells factory direct.
That gas will be worthless after a few months. An EV is the ideal choice for the very unlikely "apocalypse" scenario. You can charge on solar, a bio fuel generator, wind, hydro, or heck, you could use horses to pull it to the top of a hill and let gravity do it.
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HyperionMark
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Jeep's plug-in hybrid (when/if it comes out) may be the ultimate bug out vehicle, especially if it's the Gladiator variant.
If it has a good EV range yeah. Of course in a real scenario a hybrid becomes pointless after a while, but short term it would be flexible. I'm dying to see if the CT winds up being an ok off road vehicle, but of course it's not likely to beat a jeep.
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