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I still feel strange to drive my electric car 50 miles then fly the electric plane. When I was young I thought that would be science fiction.

I fly RC gliders with electric motors. people have been modifying models of scale or semi scale gliders for many years by cutting off the nose and putting in an electric motor with a folding prop . It's also pretty strange to see that real planes are now beginning to look just like our models.

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Never really heard much more about the Pipistrel/Siemens issues. I've had a hankering to get my glider rating at some point and the Pipistrel Electro Taurus looks really interesting: electric powered motor glider with self-launch capabilities and a total of 9,000' of lift stored in the batteries.

It does look like Siemens is staying active in the development of electric aircraft. In the current AOPA Live podcast, they mention Siemens. Jump to 9:35 at General Aviation Flying Videos - AOPA to view the report.

Siemens has a battery-powered Extra 300 awaiting first flight with the following characteristics:
- Drivetrain rated at 260 kW (348 hp) continuous
- Enough energy for a full unlimited aerobatics routine (~5 minutes) at FULL power
- intended to be competitive in aerobatic competitions, so weight is being kept to a minimum

The last thing it critical. While 5-10 minutes of flight time isn't going to revolutionize the world, if you keep in mind that they're trying to stay competitive with aircraft running on 100LL, this bodes well for electric flight in general. You hear people talking about their "aerobatic fuel load", which may only be enough 100LL for a 20 minute flight.

At 11:24 in this video, they also talk about a project Siemens is working on with Pipistrel on a serial-hybrid powered aircraft, so the two companies have apparently resolved at least some of their issues. The hybrid aircraft with use a Rotax engine powering an electric generator. The Rotax would be undersized for takeoffs, but battery power could augment this and then slowly recharge the battery in cruise, or rather quickly if you were staying in the pattern.
 
I went over to LaBelle airport and took a close look at the Silent Electro II glider. It was a very nicely integrated system.

I'm also looking forward to the new glider out of the UK using an electric motor on the wheel to accelerate the glider and a small turbine for flight once moving. Neat concept to address the shortcomings of the turbine.
 
I've had a hankering to get my glider rating at some point and the Pipistrel Electro Taurus looks really interesting: electric powered motor glider with self-launch capabilities and a total of 9,000' of lift stored in the batteries
Check out the AliSport

4.3kWh of batteries, 400 ft/min climb rate. I love the way the prop folds into the nose when not in use.

I'm not a pilot but would like to get into soaring at some point in the future.
 
I had been looking for a price on the Silent 2 Electro. Didn't see one initially. Finally came across one.

Alisport Silent 2 Electro: 75,000 Euro
Pipistrel Taurus Electro G2: 109,300 Euro

Not a direct comparison since the Taurus is a two-place aircraft, where the Silent 2 is a single place. Both very slick designs.

The first electric glider I had seen up in Oshkosh a few years back was the Lange Aviation Antares 20E. Looking at the FAA registry database, there may only be the single one in the US. Very high performance glider (60:1 glide ratio, 174 mph Vne) that had electric self-launch capabilities. With a single seat and as I remember, a sale price of over $200k USD, I wasn't in the market, but was still intrigued by the concept.
 
Hello, the sky is greener with the electric powered paragliders:

A collaboration between Aeronature, the first electric paramotor school, and Aero Composites Saintonge, the aeronautics specialist of electric propulsion and maker of the E-Fan demonstrator for the Airbus Group, created the EXOMO pack, designed to equip ultralight aircrafts and, in particular, Powered Paragliders (PPG).

Two Electric Powered Paragliders (EPPG) equipped with the EXOMO sets received two awards at the first Electric Paramotor Slalom World Championships in Legnica, Poland (2015).

Based on the latest technologies, these thrusters comprise a 15Kw electrical engine (20 hp) with a carbon propeller designed for noise reduction and a battery that allows for over an hour of cruise flight. They are shipped ready for assembly.

The quiet operation, reliability and easy activation afforded by the electric motor provide a comfortable, silent flight in all surroundings, whether urban or natural.

The creators of EXOMO wish to increase the share of electric flight technology in recreational aviation. The EXOMO device meets the highest aeronautical standards and easily adapts to existing microlights.


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Electric Paramotor set EXOMO - Aeronature
 
Apologies if this has already been discussed: my search didn't find any matches.

The Economist | Electric aircraft: Extra thrust
http://www.economist.com/news/scien...e-journey-battery-powered-planes-extra-thrust

THIS aeroplane may not look special, but it is. Its airframe is that of a 330L, an aerobatic craft built by Extra Flugzeugbau of Dinslaken, Germany. It is propelled, though, by an electric motor built by another German company, Siemens.

Electric aircraft are, as it were, in the air—with projects like the Solar Impulse, a sun-powered plane about to complete a round-the-world flight, and Antares, a motorised glider. But the 330LE, as it is dubbed, is the first to have an airframe already certified for sale and also the first (other than motorised gliders) to use an electric engine its makers plan to have certified as well. The 330LE’s initial public outing, on July 4th, was thus a step forward for the field.​
 
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Siemens apparently flew their Extra 300LE (electric 300L) last summer. electrek had an article yesterday on them setting a speed record for electric airplanes recently (340 km/h, 211 mph, 183 knots). There's a video of the 300LE's first flight linked on this article.

All-electric plane sets new records: top speed of 340 km/h (211 mph) and first electric aerotow

It's good to see Siemens continue to make progress on electric powered flight.

Mentioned in the comments of that article on the 300LE is a statement that Airbus has cancelled further development on their E-Fan. I missed that news, but the Wikipedia page on the E-Fan pointed to an article posted a few days ago by AVweb, which I confirmed on a couple other aviation news sites as well. That's unfortunate. The are planning on switching development efforts to much larger (~2 MW) series-hybrid designs.

Airbus Pivots Electric Aircraft Plans - AVweb flash Article
 
Theoretically, it seems like a crazy, crazy idea - for now:

Lithium-ion batteries provide around 0.36 MJ/kg ( source: Lithium-ion battery - Wikipedia )
Jet A aviation fuel provides around 43 MJ/kg (source: Energy Density of Aviation Fuel - The Physics Factbook )
Once Li Ion gets within one order of magnitude of Jet A energy density, its on.
Something like 4MJ/kg will be enough to start with a serious contender.
I found Tesla 2170 already at 250Wh/kg = 0.9MJ/kg. So it still needs something like a four fold energy density boost.

Electric fan jets would be about 3x more efficient than Jet A turbofans in converting MJs in the battery to thrust, at the same altitude. But flying 10k ft higher shifts that to at least 5x more efficient.
Today's greatest twin turbofans can fly for 16 hours at Mach 0.855.
If you give up 18 hour autonomy to 2 hours, that accommodates almost a whole order of magnitude less in energy density.

What's needed to start competing is a Mach 0.80 jet that can fly to 2 hours + reserves, enough to fly from Miami to Boston or Seattle to San Diego (and from Dallas/Chicago to ~50% or airports in the USA) against 99% worst head winds. With seating for 150 pax minimum.
The key is it must cost half as much in electricity costs and half as much in maintenance and about the same to purchase.
All it takes is an aircraft that can do 25% of the missions a similar size B737/A320 would be tasked with.
It needs to be an aircraft that can cruise with the fancy biz jets at FL510 or even higher. Electric jets only problem with altitude is that the thin air reduces how much thrust is produced per revolution, as long as it can just turn the fan faster that's mostly a non issue. Fossil turbofans takeoff and start their climb with a ton of thrust even after throttling down to max continuous thrust, as they climb they keep loosing thrust.
An electric aircraft would keep producing the same continuous thrust from climb to end of cruise, able to climb until the wings observe Mach buffet effects, the higher they go, the faster the true airspeed. I'm assuming there would be some extra thrust for take off and initial climb, limited by battery and motor thermal limits.
The key is the aircraft's normal cruising altitude. The higher it can cruise, the better. At some point, the lowest raw energy density of Lithium is fully offset by flying through thinner air. Assuming it would have the same design technology as a B787 or A350 (aerodynamics, lightweight carbon fiber), it would be mostly a battle between the battery's weight vs its lift.
Once the first design hits the market, for every 5% improvement in lithium energy density, the lighter weight would result in even higher cruise and something like a 20% improvement in range.
After that it would be some 20 years of design refinements after each small improvement in lithium energy density until intercontinental 300 pax type electric behemoths are in the market.
Being able to fly at FL510 means you'd literally be above ALL weather once in high altitude cruise.
Above FL450 aircraft are currently allowed to fly point to point as there's so little traffic up there. That could mean another 10% energy savings.

Converting an existing aircraft is not the solution. In order to get maximum benefit from flat thrust at any altitude we need a wing that's optimized towards producing more lift total but that's also able to go high subsonic. The ultimate limit is how fast it can go before the wing starts to get that huge drag increase due to transonic effects.
If a design that produces a lot of lift is produced, say with a 80 knot stall and 240 KIAS structural limit, which would make it quite slow below FL400, but faster and faster as it climbs.
Being the slowest aircraft in the air means you're never speed limited, you never have to slow down.

PS: I sound like I know what I'm talking about, but I'm not an aerospace engineer. But being a pilot/computer guy and interested in the subject for several decades I keep learning the concepts/issues and above all the fundamental give and takes involved in designing aircraft. I appreciate any and all criticism, good or bad.
 
I find it fascinating that a commercial jetliner could conceivably be operated on electricity. I have visited a local field where enthusiasts fly electric RC model airplanes, but to scale that up to commercial jets would be marvelous. I fear I will not live to see it, given my age. But it's cool to read about the likelihood for the future. Thanks for posting this.
 
I find it fascinating that a commercial jetliner could conceivably be operated on electricity. I have visited a local field where enthusiasts fly electric RC model airplanes, but to scale that up to commercial jets would be marvelous. I fear I will not live to see it, given my age. But it's cool to read about the likelihood for the future. Thanks for posting this.
I think this could happen before 2030. There will be continuous improvements to Lithium and also totally different chemistry.
Consider that Lithium jumped from 0.36MJ/kg to 0.9MJ/kg in about 5 years ! Why can't it jump another 4x in the next 10 ?
The fundamental bottleneck is that big oil and other entrenched interests are still able to cut funding to this types of efforts.
Its no secret that several battery patents have been bought and shelved to avoid EVs from materializing. It took cell phones/tablets/notebooks never ending demand for better batteries to get to the point where practical EVs are real.
I imagine before 2020 EM will start his own applied physics research labs like what EM intended to do for his PhD at Stanford before he dropped out.
From what I understand, so far Tesla and Musk has not been directly involved with lower level battery research. For land transportation Lithium is already good enough. But for air application better energy/Kg is very important and for sea applications better energy/m³ (and much lower cost/kWh) is fundamental.
There are also flow batteries and other tech that have been talked about but never quite made it to commercial applications.
For all I know EM has tens of billions in his stock portfolio but very little cash on hand. When M3/MY/PowerPack/PowerWall start paying off big time, he might pursue having a billion USD on hand to expand onto fundamental battery/supercapacitor research.
The inventor of Lithium Ion has demonstrated a different storage technology, solid state battery. That's another possibility.
And every EV enthusiast can read that as we'll eventually have 1000 mile range EVs and ultra cheap 300 mile ones. In 20 years or less.

Let me also add that turbofans are the single priciest part to make jets today.
The electric fan will likely cost 1/10th as much. Just that pays for the cost of the battery pack once it gets a little cheaper (for energy density to go from 0.9MJ/kg to 4MJ/kg, cost/kWh will likely drop four fold or even more). If a 737MAX carries 20 tons of jet fuel, likely 50 tons of lithium cells would be required to achieve a similar payload capacity but with just 2 hours range.
I expect the first generation electric jets to use twice as many MJs of energy per mile, abusing the fact that electrons are much cheaper than hydrocarbons.
 
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