Elon Tweeting about Thailand and Reputation

[mickificki]

You know what doing the right thing would have been for Elon? Keeping his mouth shut as to not alert that guy that someone was onto him. Then let law enforcement and jurisdiction do their jobs and arrest/prosecute/jail the guy - IF there was evidence and reason to do so.

Simply calling someone you don't really know personally and intimately a "pedo" and a "child rapist" - which in themselves are horrific acccusations - without providing any substantial evidence, is dangerous at best, and at the very least not the "right thing" to do.

This is comedy. you expect the police in a city where prostitution, child prostitution no less, occurs rampantly, to do something about it when they're probably paid to turn a blind eye?

 

[Remus]

First I really wish Elon would stop this. This is unnecessary distraction to the important things he wants to do, including saving humanity.

But now I start to doubt whether the freaking humanity is worth saving.

Elon got involved in this *sugar* show after they reached out to him multiple times, including this brits diver Stanton. Over several days they provided him with the detailed description of the scenario including a graph showing curvatures of the tunnels and water position, with key measurements. After powering with several solutions Elon came up with the mini-sub idea and began build it, all the while in discussion with Stanton and the team.

Stanton is the guy who encouraged Elon multiple times to continue working on this. Stanton is also the guy who told buzzfeed that the mini-sub is not useful and they did not provide any specification to Elon to build this thing.

So all the description of the cave including the key measurement of the curvature of the tunnel, days of email exchange, all these can not be called 'specification' according to Stanton. He basically imply Elon pulled the whole thing out of thin air without consulting with them at all. I would call that some serious back stabbing.

of course all these do not justify Elon's lashing out. As an old Chinese saying, if a dog shits on you, you won't lower yourself to his level and do the same thing to him.

I am just saying some people should not be helped.

 

[mongo]

Stanton is the guy who encouraged Elon multiple times to continue working on this. Stanton is also the guy who told buzzfeed that the mini-sub is not useful and they did not provide any specification to Elon to build this thing.

That wasn't Stanton on BuzzFeed, it was Vern.
(Unless there is another article I missed)

 

[Remus]

That wasn't Stanton on BuzzFeed, it was Vern.
(Unless there is another article I missed)

Quote from the article

"
In addition, Musk claimed that the mini-sub, which ultimately was not used in the rescue, was built to Stanton’s specifications, and that it was not deployed only because too much water had been drained from the cave. Stanton, however, denied that was the reason, and said he did not recall providing exact specifications to Musk.

“We didn't use the tube because rescue operations were already well underway and it didn't have the necessary life support systems,” Stanton said to BuzzFeed News on Facebook Messenger. “Essentially, it wasn't developed enough. "

 

[mongo]

Quote from the article

"
In addition, Musk claimed that the mini-sub, which ultimately was not used in the rescue, was built to Stanton’s specifications, and that it was not deployed only because too much water had been drained from the cave. Stanton, however, denied that was the reason, and said he did not recall providing exact specifications to Musk.

“We didn't use the tube because rescue operations were already well underway and it didn't have the necessary life support systems,” Stanton said to BuzzFeed News on Facebook Messenger. “Essentially, it wasn't developed enough. "

Which article are you quoting? I can find those passages in the one I linked. Closest is

After the man leading the operation said Musk's plan "doesn't fit with our mission to go in the cave", Musk hit out at media coverage questioning the scheme and released correspondence between him and Richard Stanton, one of the British divers engaged in the rescue. Stanton had written that it was "absolutely worth continuing with the development of this system".

With the man leading being different from Stanton.

The sub was not done in time to be used, which I think is what Stanton meant. But if things had not gone as well with the stretcher system, it may have come in handy.

 

[Remus]

Which article are you quoting? I can find those passages in the one I linked. Closest is

With the man leading being different from Stanton.

The sub was not done in time to be used, which I think is what Stanton meant. But if things had not gone as well with the stretcher system, it may have come in handy.

for someone who is too lazy to google
https://www.buzzfeednews.com/article/ryanmac/elon-musk-thai-cave-rescuer-accusations-buzzfeed-email

yeah, Stanton was the guy who wrote to Elon multiple times asking to continue developing the tube, the same guy Buzzfeed said "he did not recall providing exact specifications to Musk", and apparent the scuba tank hookup on the tube does not qualify as 'necessary life support system'

 

[mongo]

for someone who is too lazy to google
https://www.buzzfeednews.com/article/ryanmac/elon-musk-thai-cave-rescuer-accusations-buzzfeed-email

yeah, Stanton was the guy who wrote to Elon multiple times asking to continue developing the tube, the same guy Buzzfeed said "he did not recall providing exact specifications to Musk", and apparent the scuba tank hookup on the tube does not qualify as 'necessary life support system'

Thanks for the pointer, didn't realize the new article had commentary on the past cave events when I Googled.

I agree with him that he didn't give specifications of the solution, only of the problem.
Disagree on the lack of life support point, unless he was referring to the soft shell versions which may or may not have gotten there before the mini sub (never did see a resolution on that).

 

[buttershrimp]

Can't wait for the sequel!

 

[Just a Reader]

It's remarkable how some people will prefer to entertain ever more outlandish theories on what Musk may know rather than to accept that it is an infection with acute and massive Trumpism.
It's one thing to make a stupid comment on Twitter, to apologize and to move on. It's a completely different matter to apologize half-heartedly and then to return again and again to making highly damaging and defamatory statements.
By now I hope that Unsworth will take Musk to the cleaners, so much that it hurts Musk very, very badly, if only to show that even megarich egomaniacs don't get away with everything.
Perhaps Unsworth should sue in an English court. English law is very favourable for plaintiffs in libel cases and there are enough aspects to establish jurisdiction.
The amount of coverage of Musk's latest tweet in the European media was remarkable and to call it "not helpful" for Musk's reputation would be putting it mildly.
Finally, would people please stop to excuse Musk's behaviour with "stress"? He isn't the last remaining surgeon of a hospital in a war-zone, he is running a car company. Hire specialists to assist if there is too much work for one person to do.

 

[Mike117]

It's remarkable how some people will prefer to entertain ever more outlandish theories on what Musk may know rather than to accept that it is an infection with acute and massive Trumpism.
It's one thing to make a stupid comment on Twitter, to apologize and to move on. It's a completely different matter to apologize half-heartedly and then to return again and again to making highly damaging and defamatory statements.
By now I hope that Unsworth will take Musk to the cleaners, so much that it hurts Musk very, very badly, if only to show that even megarich egomaniacs don't get away with everything.
Perhaps Unsworth should sue in an English court. English law is very favourable for plaintiffs in libel cases and there are enough aspects to establish jurisdiction.
The amount of coverage of Musk's latest tweet in the European media was remarkable and to call it "not helpful" for Musk's reputation would be putting it mildly.
Finally, would people please stop to excuse Musk's behaviour with "stress"? He isn't the last remaining surgeon of a hospital in a war-zone, he is running a car company. Hire specialists to assist if there is too much work for one person to do.

Wow, never seen such a great comment, couldn't agree more. I don't know what's going wrong within Tesla but certainly there are lots of things going wrong and someone needs to raise Elon Musk as he is still a child.

 

[AustinPowers]

This is comedy. you expect the police in a city where prostitution, child prostitution no less, occurs rampantly, to do something about it when they're probably paid to turn a blind eye?

Call me naive, but yes, I expect law enforcement to work, even under those circumstances. Not everyone is corrupt you know!

The amount of coverage of Musk's latest tweet in the European media was remarkable and to call it "not helpful" for Musk's reputation would be putting it mildly.
Finally, would people please stop to excuse Musk's behaviour with "stress"? He isn't the last remaining surgeon of a hospital in a war-zone, he is running a car company. Hire specialists to assist if there is too much work for one person to do.

Quite.
I am truly saddened that in former times when I mentioned that I was on the Model 3 waiting list, people's reaction was:
"Cool. Remember to give me a test drive once you get it."
Now the general reaction is:
"Are you sure you want a Tesla? A car from a company run by that crazy person? I wouldn't touch their products with a stick."
Not the direction I want things to be going.

 

[Truthsetter]

I am truly saddened that in former times when I mentioned that I was on the Model 3 waiting list, people's reaction was:
"Cool. Remember to give me a test drive once you get it."
Now the general reaction is:
"Are you sure you want a Tesla? A car from a company run by that crazy person? I wouldn't touch their products with a stick."
Not the direction I want things to be going.

Completely true. The amount of negativity in the press (here in Central Europe, the main market for TESLA in Switzerland and Germany) is remarkable.

All only due to a crazy CEO out of his mind. Crazy. The reputational damage is currently already hunderds of millions...

 

[AustinPowers]

@WarpedOne: Care to elaborate what part of my post #751 you disagree with?

Because I stated that I am not happy about the negative vibe that Tesla is now getting "thanks" to Elon's antics.
And you disagreed with that, meaning that you are apparantly happy about the way things are developing?
Strange sentiment indeed.

 

[Vitold]

@AustinPowers So far libel lawsuit has not been filed or won.

Many people still believe that electric vehicles run on coal or that Tesla runs on subsidies. I hope you tell you enlighten your friends about Musk situation also.

 

[anon]

At first I thought that Musk was just making assumptions about Unsworth because of his frequent trips to a seemingly-notorious part of Thailand. Not a good idea to do that in public, but somewhat understandable in the heat of the moment when responding in anger to Unsworth's TV interview. However, the Buzz Feed stuff was remarkably specific and therefore more concerning: if there is no truth to it, either Musk thought he could lie to the press off the record to make them shut up, or else he is being very childish.

However, it really is not outlandish to think that there is some truth to the comments - maybe people did tell Musk or his employees about this kind of thing when they were there, but maybe they were referring to someone else, or other British men living there...and then Musk incorrectly thought they had been talking about Unsworth when he saw him later on TV. Clearly much of what Musk said about Unsworth was definitely wrong because it was contradicted by the divers interviewed by Buzz Feed, and I am at a loss to see why he would make such specific easily-disprovable allegations (e.g. that Unsworth had been asked to leave) without some reason for doing so.

 

[jeewee3000]

Just read the buzzfeed article. Strangely enough they don't show their e-mail to Elon that provoked his responses. The fact that Elon calls the Buzzfeed reporter a "f***ing a**hole" goes to show he must have gotten a very nasty e-mail.

Of course Elon shouldn't have let himself be baited like that, nor be naive enough to believe "off the record" wouldn't leak out.

But whatever happened there, Elon sure is pissed about Buzzfeed and that Unsworth guy. A shame the media doesn't ask similar questions and only shows one side of the story.

(EDIT: spelling)

 

[W84M3]

...
"A car from a company run by that crazy person? I wouldn't touch their products with a stick."
Not the direction I want things to be going.

Answer: "Better than a car from a company run by fraudsters and murderers."

Thanks & goodbye

 

[AustinPowers]

@AustinPowers So far libel lawsuit has not been filed or won.

Many people still believe that electric vehicles run on coal or that Tesla runs on subsidies. I hope you tell you enlighten your friends about Musk situation also.

No one I know believes BEVs run on coal. Though the argument could be made, as the German energy mix in the first half of 2018 consisted of almost 38% coal. Not everyone has a utilities contract like we have, with 100% renewables as the source.
And subsidies? Of course Tesla, at least partly, runs on subsidies. Every manufacturer of BEVs does at the moment.

But that is not what is being critisized over here.
Going on a Twitter rampage, spewing horrendous accusations without giving any factual evidence, plus generally behaving like a very immature human being is what people over here are offended by, and what also now gives Tesla a bad reputation. Because in essence, Tesla IS Elon Musk and vice versa, that is how it is percieved over here.

I don't know how I could enlighten my friends about the Musk situation, as I myself believe that he is destroying whatever bit of good reputation he had with his antics. No matter what Unsworth did or didn't do, the way Musk reacted is childish at best, dangerous at worst, especially if he can't back up his latest claims. And if it is the same as with his "taking TSLA private, financing secured" disaster, then I don't know how to believe him in future. To me he seems to be on a personal crusade, ever since that guy made the derogatory remarks about the sub.

 

[AustinPowers]

Answer: "Better than a car from a company run by fraudsters and murderers."

Thanks & goodbye

I think you should look up the definition of murderer, because in order to be a murderer, you have to have killed someone with the explicit intent to do so.

I am 100% certain that no one at VW or any other legacy automaker is purposely trying to kill their current and/or future customers. They cheated about emissions values, true, but even then, I would rather have 100 current Diesel cars on the road than 10 from twenty years ago as even with cheating software their efficiency and emissions values are still far better than what we had just a couple of years ago.

Don't get me wrong, I won't buy another ICE ever again, but not because of the emissions scandal, but because BEVs imho simply are an overall better proposition. Quiet, instant torque, no local pollution, the ability to charge at home. I mean, you know that yourself. Of course the fewer emissions, the better, but all that talk about legacy automakers being "murderers" etc. is just ridiculous. If so, what about the companies that run coal power plants? Or nuclear? Or all those cattle farmers whose animals produce more greenhouse gases than all humans on this planet combined? Are all of them "murderers" because they cause damage to the environment?
Get a grip on reality!

 

[W84M3]

I think you should look up the definition of murderer, because in order to be a murderer, you have to have killed someone with the explicit intent to do so.

Oh, I'm sorry; you're right. Management didn't know about Dieselgate never mind the impact of emissions on health.

I am 100% certain that no one at VW or any other legacy automaker is purposely trying to kill their current and/or future customers.

Believe me, I'm not a customer and never will be from VW, yet their emissions can kill me.

They cheated about emissions values, true, but even then, I would rather have 100 current Diesel cars on the road than 10 from twenty years ago as even with cheating software their efficiency and emissions values are still far better than what we had just a couple of years ago.

Invalid reasoning.



Get a grip!