ZenRockGarden
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Doing the blanket-endorsement also undercuts Elon's kind words about wanting Twitter to be a place for moderates that were somehow formerly suppressed. He's full tribal at this point, which is kinda what we knew going in.
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Elon & Twitter
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Doing the blanket-endorsement also undercuts Elon's kind words about wanting Twitter to be a place for moderates that were somehow formerly suppressed. He's full tribal at this point, which is kinda what we knew going in.
ZenRockGarden
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If you can't accept the content of Elon's actual tweets and the associated stock market free-fall of TWTR and TSLA as he alienates half the country.... what WOULD you accept for factual debate on the topic? Brieghtbart articles?
Oh wow. TSLA has lost about 13% since the first of the month.
I wonder if anything interesting happened on the first.
Usage has increased !
Rather meaningless statement as it doesn’t reflect quality and is without context … kinda like saying Trump has the biggest rallies and therefore is the most popular choice. Twitter usage would be off the charts if they reinstated him and let anyone say anything… doesn’t mean it’s good business though. The most popular cable “news” show in primetime (Tucker Carlson) for example has absolutely killer ratings but advertisers for very obvious reasons stay away from it… controversy drives clicks and views but isn't necessarily good business
So you’re saying that because no other high profile CEO has ever done this, Elon should not do it either?
Elon is unorthodox in everything he does and that has paid off handsomely (Tesla’s success, SpaceX’s success). Tweeting controversial things for years now - often leading to ‘now he has finally done it!’ predictions - has not held back Tesla. They have had more orders than they can build for many years now. In hindsight all concern was uncalled for. Why would it be different this time? Why wouldn’t it just be the next ‘now he has finally done it!’?
BitJam
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Fully agree. I've been on the "moderation is hard" bus since I first heard about Elon wanting to bring free speech to Twitter. It still blows my mind that he has been so ignorant about it all.
True, but as I said, there will probably be a strong negative reaction from the people who are expecting Musk to scale back moderation when they find out he doesn't. I honestly don't blame him for delaying that battle until another day. This is a terrible look for him but he has dug a big hole and doesn't have great options.
One of the big lessons I learned from the horrific French Revolution is that when people act on "let's tear it all down because things can't get any worse" then things get much worse. This was true with Elon trying to tear down and rebuild Twitter. it is also true now. The current situation could get So. Much. Worse.
It's not all Elon's fault. The Dems kowtowing to the corrupt UAW (according to Jen Psaki) helped steer Elon to the
ZenRockGarden
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Could it be that there are really good reasons why pretty much all CEO's don't do it?
Longest wait I can see for any vehicle is for the Model X, with EDD of as late as June 2023. That's roughly half a year. For the Model Y, it's as late as March 2023. For the Model 3, there's basically no wait, and for the Model S, out to February 2023. The inability of Tesla to get new orders is going to start affecting its financials real quickly when it finally does clear out the backlog. There isn't an infinite demand for Tesla vehicles and more competitors release vehicles every month.
Like Jordan once supposedly said Republicans buy sneakers too.............
"Balance of Power" in Washington is a great fantasy and one that is impossible when the SC leans heavily Republican. The balance of power is not necessary when the will of the people is being done by their Reps.
Your argument appears to be "Elon does things differently, so whatever he does is probably going to work out." Not everyone shares that view, which is why they have voiced their opinion that alienating a segment of the population might backfire. It also might not. But it's not an unreasonable thing to say.
I don't know what "he has finally done it" is supposed to imply. I haven't seen anyone use those words, either.
I am looking only at actions, not at the person. I don't have any animosity or adoration for Elon, or really for any human. I am familiar with his track record, including both his great successes and his failures. Nobody is infallible. Even Elon's biggest defenders here seem to admit this isn't the best look but it's just part of the package which is hopefully aimed in a positive direction. To excuse it with the expectation that it'll pay off handsomely seems a little more in the adulation camp than the unbiased camp.
Agreed, the official vehicle of the Far Right MAGA T Train 2024.......
In your opinion what are the positives of alienating 50% of the market?
ElectricIAC
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CEOs are supposed to make money for the shareholders. It's their job to carry out their fiduciary duty. If they can't do that, they shouldn't be CEO anymore.
Well, if the Republicans take majorities in the House and Senate tomorrow, then we can expect Elon to endorse the Democrat candidate for president in '24. In the interest of balance. Right?
Who says he is alienating 50% of the market? Democrats are 35% of the market and they are not a monolithic group. Many of them are lukewarm about politics and don’t care. Others are on the right side of the party and dislike AOC and Bernie. Others may not like Elon flirting with the Republicans, but don’t see that as a reason not to buy a Tesla.
And ‘50% of the market’ is pretty US centric. The Chinese don’t care and may even like it.
BitJam
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Of course he is allowed to do it. The point is it was unwise. As the CEO of Twitter, at this point in time, it was extremely unwise. The majority of Americans don't agree with his opinion on this. It's a majority and not 50/50 because the US election system is undemocratic. Elon seems to be out of touch with this reality.
Whether you agree with him on this or not is beside the point. Not only is he driving off users directly, his lack of wisdom, judgment, and restraint will cause bankers and advertisers to lose faith in him. Elon needs the support of both of those groups for Twitter to survive.
Maybe Elon thinks that stirring up controversy like this is good for Twitter. It's possible that controversy on Twitter would be good but controversy by Twitter is not. Alienating half the country is not a good way to grow the user base by a factor of 10.
ElectricIAC
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‘Now he has finally done it!’, has been yelled by hundreds of posters during the last five years after tweets about pedo’s, funding secured, the SEC, Biden and dozens of other ‘controversial’ subjects (I forgot most of them and do did most people). Smoking a joint was also ‘the last straw’. All of them were implying that demand for Teslas or the stock would crash.
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