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Elon & Twitter
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bkp_duke
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FYI - they tried the same thing (and it was the same attorney suing) with Tesla with the 10% workforce reduction over the summer. The judge threw it out and said they had to go to arbitration, per their contracts. Don't get your hopes up for this one, I knew one of Elon's attorney's (from college), it's a SHARP group that knows what they are doing. They would have done their homework on this.
I have to admit, my expectations were not high when Elon took over Twitter a week ago, but even by those low standards his first week has been a disaster.
He's getting ridiculed in the marketplace of ideas, losing advertisers, and ranting about a vague "they" violating free speech, potentially violating the WARN Act in California, negotiating in real time with celebs for Twitter Blue, pulling staff from Tesla to work on the tire fire that is Twitter....
He's getting ridiculed in the marketplace of ideas, losing advertisers, and ranting about a vague "they" violating free speech, potentially violating the WARN Act in California, negotiating in real time with celebs for Twitter Blue, pulling staff from Tesla to work on the tire fire that is Twitter....
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Daniel in SD
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No, but I've never heard of a company not just giving 60 days of pay. I don't think Twitter needs any more bad press.
bkp_duke
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WARN is a Federal law, not a Cali law.
ElectricIAC
Good-Natured Rascal
He probably figures all he’s been getting is bad press anyway so might as well get it out of the way and do what must be done.
ZenRockGarden
Active Member
It is pretty ironic and entertaining to watch private advertisers exercise THEIR free speech and decide to take their business elsewhere while Elon screams that it's wrong.
Advertisers want stability, cleanliness, lack of drama. They want to run ads next to Disney movies, not Elon spreading QAnon crap and firing half the workforce including the moderators.
Exactly. He rails on pull back of free speech in the same rant about advertisers leaving. Which is it? What has basically happened is he showed true colors. What he likes to be tweeted on Twitter he doesnt want to see moderated. He doesnt want himself to be moderated.
The $8 charge I really dont care about. The rollout was just plain awful.
WARN is a Federal law, not a Cali law.
California has its own version. (of course it does)
Worker Adjustment and Retraining Notification (WARN)
California employers can find an overview of the Worker Adjustment and Retraining Notification (WARN) Act including, how to file a WARN Notice and what steps are taken after a WARN notice has been filed.
edd.ca.gov
btw: Methinks Elon could have saved some angst (adn legal money) by having a All-Hands call last Friday morning with the total company, saying "welcome, I look forward to meeting you, adn expect everyone in the office Monday morning 8:00 am sharp, and after that, 5 days/week"
Hundreds would have quit on the spot.
bkp_duke
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California has its own version. (of course it does)
Worker Adjustment and Retraining Notification (WARN)
California employers can find an overview of the Worker Adjustment and Retraining Notification (WARN) Act including, how to file a WARN Notice and what steps are taken after a WARN notice has been filed.
Yes, it does, but Twitter has employees in multiple locations outside of Cali.
I never wanted this distraction to take place. As much as many supporters think Twitter is never going to make a ton of $. Human nature will just not allow it.
Still last Friday when he came out with the Content Moderation Panel. I was like maybe he is coming to his senses, but need to see who is on it and what they do.
Then the just plain stupid, awful, ignorant, stupid awful, ignorant, stupid, awful, ignorant (I could say this about 1000 times) post from a nut job conspiracy site that Elon should never visit let alone give any credence to. Then no apology, just pull it down and hope people forget. Of course he then equates the NYTimes with that nut job conspiracy site. Then terrible rollout of pay for blue check marks.
California has its own version. (of course it does)
Worker Adjustment and Retraining Notification (WARN)
California employers can find an overview of the Worker Adjustment and Retraining Notification (WARN) Act including, how to file a WARN Notice and what steps are taken after a WARN notice has been filed.
btw: Methinks Elon could have saved some angst (adn legal money) by having a All-Hands call last Friday morning with the total company, saying "welcome, I look forward to meeting you, adn expect everyone in the office Monday morning 8:00 am sharp, and after that, 5 days/week"
Hundreds would have quit on the spot.
Yeah, but he wanted 1000s on the spot. The cutting of staff abruptly does appear to be rather desperate. Think it kind of shows he knows that this deal is monetarily just a disaster and is looking any way he can to make it work.
As for the WARN act do we even know if the 60 day notice wasnt given or is that all speculation? See I can support Elon. I support him in many ways. Just this stuff if batshit crazy.
bkp_duke
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Please. We've known since well before the purchase he was going to cut staff. The number circulating for months was 75%.
Stretch2727
Engineer and Car Nut
Agreed. I am not sure how he planned to add value to Twitter. I thought there was some magic he had up his sleeve.
Either go full on subscription or don't. Having a mix is just the worst of both worlds. I could see a model where viewing accounts are free and a few tiers for tweeting, verified, superuser privileges. Subscription would also avoid most of the bot accounts if they needed to pay to tweet.
Except the Pelosi conspiracy theory stuff that he retweeted isn't from the 80% in the middle, it's the part of the 20% of the batshit crazy crowd.
I actually don't think so. People would quiet quit so they can get the severance.California has its own version. (of course it does)
Worker Adjustment and Retraining Notification (WARN)
California employers can find an overview of the Worker Adjustment and Retraining Notification (WARN) Act including, how to file a WARN Notice and what steps are taken after a WARN notice has been filed.
btw: Methinks Elon could have saved some angst (adn legal money) by having a All-Hands call last Friday morning with the total company, saying "welcome, I look forward to meeting you, adn expect everyone in the office Monday morning 8:00 am sharp, and after that, 5 days/week"
Hundreds would have quit on the spot.
I don't think it requires 60 days of notice does it? Isn't it fine if you are informed and escorted out of the building on the same day, as long as you are paid for at least 60 days?
Your point? I said he wanted the people to resign in the 1000s on day 1. The cutting of 75% I see as rather desperate to help make this thing financially not a disaster. It is always better for people to resign then get laid off. No unemployment, no severance, no warn act, etc. etc.
That last part is just semantics. It is 60 days of pay that really matters. In the building or out really doesnt matter,
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