bkp_duke
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As do I.
The partisanship . . . . everywhere is annoying. We have plenty of issues to address, they should be addressed on their own merits, not because of ancillary stuff. That goes for both parties, not just one.
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Elon & Twitter
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As do I.
The partisanship . . . . everywhere is annoying. We have plenty of issues to address, they should be addressed on their own merits, not because of ancillary stuff. That goes for both parties, not just one.
Besides the Ron Barron interview, Elon also said Tesla is worth zero if FSD is not solved.
Krugerrand
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Ok. That’s informative.
Correction: I did not say nor imply that deleting the tweet was a ‘retraction’, but the action of deleting IS an acknowledgment by him that he was at the very least mistaken. People don’t delete things they’ve tweeted because they think they’re correct.
Additionally, I’m not surprised by anyone thinking that action is insufficient. Several other things, but not surprised.
What attack? You mean handing Tesla and Tesla's customers billions of $ in subsidies (tax rebates) and other benefits (solo HOV lane access, etc.)?
AlanSubie4Life
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Semafor received funding from SBF so this must be propaganda. Elon would not accept investors like this. He must have cashed him out.Looks like Musk hid text messages between himself and SBF. The conspiracy is larger than I thought. He took more money from SBF than the politicians.
Just kidding, he hid a bunch of text messages (one of the many reasons he was going to lose at trial).
Sam Bankman-Fried, Elon Musk, and a secret text | Semafor
Bankman-Fried gushed about a Musk-run Twitter, and Musk invited him to roll his $100 million stake into the deal.www.semafor.com
It will be interesting to see what happens to FTX’s share. Presumably it will need to be sold and the sale price will be public which will give us some idea of what Twitter is worth right now.
Krugerrand
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Well, I find your tone belittling and personal too, among other things. Shall we report each other’s posts or do you have another suggestion? I don’t put people on ignore, so that’s not on the table as an option for me.
Additionally, I didn’t say anything about ‘Elon never excused anything let alone the Pelosi trash’. I have no idea what that even means or what you’re trying to say.
I also don’t know what Tesla ignorance means or why you’ve now added Trump to the discussion. I’ve NEVER mentioned Trump in ANY post until just this very one. I don’t do politics on this forum in any way, shape, or form.
ElectricIAC
Good-Natured Rascal
I still maintain that the transgressive left are just mad that they finally pushed Elon away, possibly for good.
Unfortunately this segment has a lot of financial power (institutionally and sympathetic) which is why we’re seeing a coordinated effort to drive TSLA share price down. And with anyone who isn’t Elon this would normally work.
Keep pushing, you’re just making him stronger!
Unfortunately this segment has a lot of financial power (institutionally and sympathetic) which is why we’re seeing a coordinated effort to drive TSLA share price down. And with anyone who isn’t Elon this would normally work.
Keep pushing, you’re just making him stronger!
Explains how he got rid of all possessions because it's an attack vector, and how billionaires are looked in a negative light.
bkp_duke
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Seriously? No, legit question. SERIOUSLY?
1) Attacked by AOC repeatedly because he's a billionaire
2) Elizabeth Warren and Bernie Sanders - attacked Elon because he "didn't pay his fair share" of taxes. A tax code, btw, that BOTH of them when you go back and look at their voting records voted for, not against.
3) Biden - invited EVERY EV maker to the White House for an "EV Summit" except . . . the EV maker that has produced more EVs than everyone else (literally) combined
There are so many more examples, it's not even funny. Even the most far-left individuals on this forum acknowledge that the Dem party has done wrong by Elon.
Just about the only valid complaint he has is (3), given that this was done by the leader of the party. The other two are just random people in Congress who don't always agree with the official stance of the party.
If we need reform of how the stock market works, we need to get rid of preferential voting shares of the type that allow Zuckerberg to control more than 50% of the votes at Meta while only owning about 15% of the shares by value. And that's not an Elon problem because AFAIK his Tesla shares don't have enhanced voting rights and he can be kicked out by the shareholders if they get pissed enough.
bkp_duke
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Oh, and to address your "subsidies" point - Tesla and other EV makers are a DISTANT second in subsides, well behind what the Oil+Gas companies get every year:
Krugerrand
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People do that all the time. The very act of deleting is an admittance they made a mistake and were wrong. Sometimes that’s all you get. And that has nothing to do with Twitter. That’s a human condition we all suffer from.
ElectricIAC
Good-Natured Rascal
Military industrial complex probably overshadows both of those by galaxies.Oh, and to address your "subsidies" point - Tesla and other EV makers are a DISTANT second in subsides, well behind what the Oil+Gas companies get every year:
Krugerrand
Meow
Nope. There’s been a number of times it was rigged up and then down all in the same day. I remember one such very dramatic occurrence that had a lot of people up in arms over.
The first three people are well-known outliers by any reasonable standard on the left or right. They’re not representative.
Union-guy Biden’s creaky, misguided belief that the Big Three are what counts in “Detroit” led to that tin-eared decision not to invite Elon to an event. Being ignored by an old guy is hardly an attack.
Should not have happened, even Biden’s aides were shaking their heads, but that dude lives in the ‘60s. Neglected is not attacked, though.
Hardly a reason to go embrace people who don’t believe climate change is real. Either that is a fundamental value, or it’s not. Right now? The evidence says it’s not.
There are many factors...a falling market, looming recession, the possibility that the recession will cause some green policies to go on the back burner, the splitting of the shares, Elon’s big sell off etc etc.
I also think that investors are seeing EVs coming out of the legacy car makers and are assuming that Tesla dominance will be shared. Unfortunately they are not appreciating the technical superiority of Tesla...then again perhaps they have profiled those with brand loyalty exactly right.
I also think that investors are seeing EVs coming out of the legacy car makers and are assuming that Tesla dominance will be shared. Unfortunately they are not appreciating the technical superiority of Tesla...then again perhaps they have profiled those with brand loyalty exactly right.
ZenRockGarden
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Krugerrand
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Um…that goes both ways. Easy cop out to blame Elon when there’s macro events going on.
Yeah well, those should be cut to zero. They're contrary to the goal of decarbonizing the energy supply and the least we could do is stop subsidizing that stuff.Oh, and to address your "subsidies" point - Tesla and other EV makers are a DISTANT second in subsides, well behind what the Oil+Gas companies get every year:
bkp_duke
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Should be, yeah. But criticizing Tesla for taking subsidies available to everyone is "letting perfect be the enemy of good".
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