Sure there was a small period - 2 to 3 weeks - of increase in hate speech last Oct-Nov, which was immediately clamped down. The media keeps repeating that - which is history - without mentioning that hate speech has substantially come down and things are much better now than it has ever been. If media is the only source of your perception, and not because of your personal experience - then you are a victim of Media lies. You need to wake up.
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Elon & Twitter
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Norbert
TSLA will win
That's obviously upside down. There is a study that found 16% or so of the american population aren't sure that Earth is round. The flat-earth theory is not coming from "the media", it's coming from the middle ages and survived in the conspiracy-theory realm, in spite of "the media".
Just stating the obvious and setting the record straight.
...and a much larger section of population who, if some random idiot on Twitter says that the Earth is flat, will retweet and amplify the lie, not realizing that the so-called "evidence" that this person presented for a flat Earth does not line up with reality, and who are too uneducated to even check the facts themselves and have never even heard of a process called peer review and don't have a good understanding of the scientific method. And they're the big problem with society right now.
JRP3
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It's not and never has been. You keep clinging to this idea of "media" as some monolithic being which you can point to as the boogeyman instead of facing obvious facts which you don't like. In this specific case Elon provided plenty of evidence we could see with our own eyes.
italian bread
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It's very interesting how there's this mass conspiracy to hide the truth and promote lies and yet there are individuals in the world who, for some reason, are able to discover the truth. /S
And the media (or at least, most of the reputable outlets) aren't going to go around saying that the Earth is flat, and if a reporter did, said reporter would quickly get fired because most outlets want to protect their reputation as a reputable source of information. Which is in stark contrast to Twitter, which does not vet people or information, and allows high school dropouts to post their theories about why the Earth is flat right next to tweets from actual physicists who understand all of the experiments we've done that show that it's not.
italian bread
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So, who are you going to believe? Anecdotal accounts or scientific studies? Are you rugged individualist who will believe what they believe despite what studies say, or are you a "sheep" who just goes along with the scientific evidence? 
A study from CASM Technology and the Institute for Strategic Dialogue
New research from CASM Technology and ISD has found a major and sustained spike in antisemitic posts on Twitter since the company’s takeover by Elon Musk on October 27, 2022. Powered by the award-winning digital analysis technology Beam – and based on a powerful hate speech detection methodology combining over twenty leading machine-learning models – researchers found that the volume of English-language antisemitic Tweets more than doubled in the period following Musk’s takeover. In total, analysts detected 325,739 English-language antisemitic Tweets in the 9 months from June 2022 to February 2023, with the weekly average number of antisemitic Tweets increasing by 106% (from 6,204 to 12,762), when comparing the period before and after Musk’s acquisition.
A study from CASM Technology and the Institute for Strategic Dialogue
New research from CASM Technology and ISD has found a major and sustained spike in antisemitic posts on Twitter since the company’s takeover by Elon Musk on October 27, 2022. Powered by the award-winning digital analysis technology Beam – and based on a powerful hate speech detection methodology combining over twenty leading machine-learning models – researchers found that the volume of English-language antisemitic Tweets more than doubled in the period following Musk’s takeover. In total, analysts detected 325,739 English-language antisemitic Tweets in the 9 months from June 2022 to February 2023, with the weekly average number of antisemitic Tweets increasing by 106% (from 6,204 to 12,762), when comparing the period before and after Musk’s acquisition.
The power of Twitter is, if any idiot is blatantly lying or giving "facts" without the context (aka media), that will be immediately set right by many experts on that particular field. If you follow only idiots and block subject matter experts, you will turn into one.
Here is an example: Media & TSLAQ were creating this 'competition is coming' bogeyman for years. They pump up every loser EV from legacy auto as Tesla killer. Remember GM Bolt was supposed to bankrupt Tesla!
But Tesla bulls were asking the right questions: Where are they going to get the batteries? how are they going to make money with the dealers jacking up prices and not interested in selling EVs? What about charging infrastructure? What about range?
Questions paid media will never ask, and the kind of dialog you only will see on Twitter.
Same as in the 'hate speech on Twitter is now out of control' scare mongering media is desperately spreading. That was true for just a few weeks in Oct-Nov. Now everywhere I ask around they all say, I don't see it but since media is stating it has to be true. Ya.. right !
Social media has never amplified the opinions of experts in the field and suppressed the posts of idiots. It's always been about engagement and it's the outrageous, extremist crap that generates the most engagement. Since social media companies are funded by advertisers, and more engagement means more ads to sell, social media companies seek to amplify outrageous crap. Furthermore, experts in the field will readily admit that we don't know something with 100% certainty while people posting outrageous crap will talk like they know everything. This, by the way, includes people like Elon, when they're commenting on things like the war in Ukraine.
jabloomf1230
Minister of Silly Walks
As you correctly point out, most experts don't post on social media. I have a certain field of expertise via formal training. Every so often, I used to read posts on Twitter that touched on my area of expertise. I never once had an any inclination to add to those discussions. With the advent of AI chatbots, they can now handle the discussion.
stopcrazypp
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Yep, that's how all those crypto scams exploded. It's all through social media. If experts really got disproportionate (or even proportionate) representation, this wouldn't happen. And a bunch of conspiracy theories really got widespread influence when Facebook became people's primary source of news. I'm sure plenty of people have relatives that went off the deep end when they got too into Facebook.
The traditional media is much more tame in comparison.
italian bread
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Norbert
TSLA will win
Experts are outnumbered by know-it-alls 1 : 1,000,000, and don't have enough time to respond to even a small part of the stuff thrown at them. So the void is filled by semi-experts and pseudo-experts who have a PhD or something, but little expertise in the subject, or limited expertise about some small part of it. The real experts are outnumbered by these 1 : 100, so can't shine a light on their stuff either. Their opinions are commonly guided more by partisan affiliation than by deep understanding of the subject matter.
Media is hamstrung by the same problem, yet they peddle illformed biased opinion as news.
Between Media and Twitter I will take my trusted sources on Twitter any time.
JohnSnowNW
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This is the exact same argument a flat earther or anti-vaxer would use. The. exact. same.
Okay I will make one more attempt.
If you tend to only follow idiots and conspiracy theorists on Twitter, you will become one of them - idiots. Twitter gives you the option to follow a variety of sources of varying subject matter expertise and most importantly trust-factor and integrity. In matters of science and tech, things are generally black and white and not that hard to find trusted sources. But in matters of politics and other social issues, it takes time to find the right set of trusted individuals, but they are there. You can even see some of your own trusted sources challenging each other when things are muddy, which is a good thing.
On the other hand the cesspool called media - on both sides of the aisle - is mostly biased and is pushing an agenda - Trump bad, Space man fraud, tax cheater, narcist, racist, billionaire (always used in a derogatory context), Twitter bad, Russia evil, Ukraine good and so on.. and you can't challenge their gaslighting directly, except on Twitter.
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It’s so funny when people willingly trap themselves into a bubble of lunatics and then go on to preach about how everyone else is crazy biased liars.
JRP3
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More nonsense, that kind of dialog was happening in many places, Twitter was and is not the only non traditional media source.
Agreed. Pity the people who are fed by CNBC, WSJ, WaPo, LAT, BI, Bloomberg and such..
JRP3
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No what actually happens is if it's a popular "idiot" the lies will spread quickly, much faster than any correction which follows. The damage is already done.
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