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Why write this post?
A lot of people are starting to get interested in IO. I don't think Octopus do a very good job of spelling out the benefits in their website. They have some FAQs, but the same questions keep coming up over and over on the forums.

What is it?
In a nutshell, IO is a split tariff that gives you a cheap off-peak rate for charging your EV and other electrical items in the household, including home batteries.

Isn’t that the same as Octopus Go or Go Faster?
The principle is the same, but in exchange for some benefits which we’ll explain, you allow Octopus to control the timing of your EV charge, so they can choose low carbon intensity and/or cheap wholesale priced time slots.

So I’m not in control of my charge? I don’t like the sound of that!
Well yes…and no. You’re in control of how much to charge and when you want the car to be ready, just like you would be normally. Within those parameters, you’re allowing Octopus to control which half-hour slots the car chooses to get to that target % charge. And you can always override IO if you want to “bump charge” through the day.

OK, but what are the benefits you mentioned for this trade off?
First of all, you get a larger guaranteed off-peak window for using household appliances and charging home batteries, etc. It’s six hours between 23:30-05:30. Go, for example, is a fixed 4 hour window.
In addition, when IO schedules your EV charging slots it sometimes creates schedules that fall outside of the fixed, six hour window. If that happens your EV charging and all your household use in these extra-slots is also charged at off-peak rates.
I have frequently had schedules give me seven or more hours of off-peak rates. On one occasion, I had a total of ten hours of off-peak rates.

Am I eligible?
You need a smart meter and a compatible car and/or charger. Since you’re reading this here, I assume you’ve got or are thinking of getting a Tesla. IO works with the Tesla API to create the charging schedules. The advantage of this is that IO will work with any* home charger. If you have a charger with smart features, you need to disable them so that the charger acts as a dumb switch. IO will control everything via Tesla’s API to start and stop your charging.
*Even your granny charger - but you need to tell IO what the max throughput is when you go through setup so that it can work out your schedules properly.

Some of this sounds too good to be true.
Phantom drain caused by having smart charging enabled in the Octopus app has been fixed as of 30th August 2022. One small side effect appears to be that schedules sometimes take longer to appear in the app after plugging in.

Further questions (to be updated in the main thread body once the edit timer on this post expires)

I have two EVs, can I charge the other while on IO?

Not with IO scheduling the charging, but you can charge any other car in the fixed 23:30-05:30 off peak window or at any other time at peak prices.

What are the rates etc?
Octopus do a decent job of explaining the peak and off-peak rates along with contracts etc. Head over to their pages to discover that.

I asked for a target % of x, but I got less than x.
There are two or three reasons for this.

The first, most common reason, is that Tesla reports battery % differently depending on where you look. The API (that IO uses) reports the gross battery %. This is generally fixed but can fluctuate very slightly. The Tesla app shows usable %. Apps like Teslamate and Teslafi can display both. Quite often, there is a delta of 2-3% which may be down to battery temp or other factors. This usable % will often be recovered as the battery warms up during a drive.

Some users have reported charging % being way off, perhaps 10% or more. This could be down to an error in the onboarding process. Some of the charger database entries incorrectly assume the charger you are onboarding is the 11kW version, without actually saying so in the charger description. The Andersen A2 was an early example of this. If you suspect this may be the case, the easiest thing to do is go through the on-boarding again and choose "Generic 7.4kW charger". It won't affect your functionality on IO in any way.

Lastly, it has to be mentioned that occasionally IO just craps out. It may be down to a comms error, a server error at Octopus' end, or just reasons. IO is a beta product and it's wise to expect one or two quirks from time to time
 
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Charging overnight to 100% - need to leave at 6:30 to take my son to the airport. It’ll be cold so I’ll want to defrost in the morning when I get up and have breakfast

Will it do that using battery (preferred as it’ll have been cheap rate); or use the wall charger as it’s still plugged in (but will be 30p/kwh). The zappi will be in fast mode as IO in controlling through thr car

I can’t remember exactly to be honest. It may depend what settings you have in the car/app itself. ie if you’ve got “off peak end time” set up for the car or not.

It’s not 100% clear from the Tesla app if it will take power from the car or charger to defrost or precondition it. If you’ve got “off peak end time” set up it does say at the bottom of the screenshot below that it will charge during the off peak time though. So that implies that it won’t take anything from the charger after that time.

You’ve got the set and forget “precondition” option in the “schedule” section. Or you’ve got the manual “defrost car” option in the “climate” section.

I’m not sure if those 2 do exactly the same stuff or not. Possibly hitting the manual “defrost” option additionally puts the heated windows/mirrors on as well(?)

I pretty sure that if it’s set up as below it uses the car battery power only (if “precondition” and “off peak end time” and “depart by” is scheduled. Also I’m pretty sure that if it’s set like that but “precondition” is off and you manually hit “defrost” it’ll come from the car only as well.

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Charging overnight to 100% - need to leave at 6:30 to take my son to the airport. It’ll be cold so I’ll want to defrost in the morning when I get up and have breakfast

Will it do that using battery (preferred as it’ll have been cheap rate); or use the wall charger as it’s still plugged in (but will be 30p/kwh). The zappi will be in fast mode as IO in controlling through thr car
If the car is plugged in it will always take power from the wall to preheat ( or anything else it wants power for). And it will use a lot it cold weather Could be a couple of kw for a 10-15 minute preheat.
@Pete UK called it a first world problem and it kind of is but it could cost you £100 per year if you do it regularly that could be better spent elsewhere.
The only workaround is to unplug or remotely switch off the charger.
 
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If the car is plugged in it will always take power from the wall to preheat ( or anything else it wants power for). And it will use a lot it cold weather Could be a couple of kw for a 10-15 minute preheat.
@Pete UK called it a first world problem and it kind of is but it could cost you £100 per year if you do it regularly that could be better spent elsewhere.
The only workaround is to unplug or remotely switch off the charger.

Even if you’ve set an off peak end time in the car/app? And it’s outside that time? (Blue cable showing in the app).

I guess the way to verify is to observe the cable in the app turn from blue to green when pre-heating/ defrost is activated with all the above options on.

@Mrklaw, you’ll be spending £5 on a Starbucks coffee when you get there anyway 😂
 
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If the car is plugged in it will always take power from the wall to preheat ( or anything else it wants power for). And it will use a lot it cold weather Could be a couple of kw for a 10-15 minute preheat.

You are absolutely right ! Thanks for the heads up.

Just tried it. Cable on the app was showing green after the cheap rate ended (thought it might be blue like when you plug in - but wasn’t!)

Turned on defrost and my house load shot up by about 3kW !

So now we have to go out in the cold, unplug it before hitting defrost (or pay 35p for peak usage per defrost or drain the house battery by a few valuable kW in winter).

Or I guess set you could set the departure time to 05:30 and defrost it by 05:30 and hope it doesn’t frost over again. Problem is with that, I think the HVAC keeps running after it’s defrosted until you get in the car or certainly for a fair while after, so it might have to be gloves on before breakfast !

More first world problems 😂
 
You are absolutely right ! Thanks for the heads up.

Just tried it. Cable on the app was showing green after the cheap rate ended (thought it might be blue like when you plug in - but wasn’t!)

Turned on defrost and my house load shot up by about 3kW !

So now we have to go out in the cold, unplug it before hitting defrost (or pay 35p for peak usage per defrost or drain the house battery by a few valuable kW in winter).

Or I guess set you could set the departure time to 05:30 and defrost it by 05:30 and hope it doesn’t frost over again. Problem is with that, I think the HVAC keeps running after it’s defrosted until you get in the car or certainly for a fair while after, so it might have to be gloves on before breakfast !

More first world problems 😂
Would unlocking the charging port from the app before starting preheat work? Or will it just re-engage the lock and draw from the house anyway?
 
The thing is (and Im guilty of this at times).... We like to moan about first world problems because it makes us feel good and come to think of it, its a bit twisted really 🤷‍♂️

yeah about 70p (30p x 3 = 90p but minus the 7.5p x 3 from your off peak you want to use in the car battery = 22.5p; total 67.5p)

principle though innit?

With a zappi if I'm feeling too lazy/cold to go unplug I could probably switch it from the app into eco+ mode then what would the car do? would it detect no charge provided from the wall and fall back to battery?
 
yeah about 70p (30p x 3 = 90p but minus the 7.5p x 3 from your off peak you want to use in the car battery = 22.5p; total 67.5p)

principle though innit?

With a zappi if I'm feeling too lazy/cold to go unplug I could probably switch it from the app into eco+ mode then what would the car do? would it detect no charge provided from the wall and fall back to battery?
yes it would
 
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Yes indeed. Some things bug me as well and these days and I cant be arsed to tinker to much either.

Thing is, as you have a zappi why dont you just integrate that with IO instead and problem solved?

Zappi is fairly new so I haven't got around to it. But also the zappi guesses at SoC so wouldn't be as accurate as the Tesla? If I want to charge it to 100% like it recommends occasionally, the Zappi control would be less accurate I think?