TMC is an independent, primarily volunteer organization that relies on ad revenue to cover its operating costs. Please consider whitelisting TMC on your ad blocker and becoming a Supporting Member. For more info: Support TMC
Start a Discussionhttps://teslamotorsclub.com/tmc/tags/

Expected CPO Range at Delivery

Discussion in 'Model S: Ordering, Production, Delivery' started by LiverpoolFC, Jul 14, 2017.

  1. LiverpoolFC

    LiverpoolFC Member

    Joined:
    Jun 24, 2017
    Messages:
    35
    Location:
    Raleigh/Durham
    I am hoping to take delivery of a 2015 CPO 85D with 55k miles in the next couple of weeks. While I don’t expect the car to have the same range it did when it was new, it seems like there should be a range number where it is reasonable for me to make it an “issue.”

    Do you think (1) it is reasonable for me to ask my delivery specialist for range information and (2) there is a battery range number that would be unacceptable.

    I wonder why Tesla identifies the original ideal range on the CPO purchase page for the car - when then they do that, they are setting an expectation for the buyer that is not realistic for higher mileage CPOs.
     
  2. skitown

    skitown Supporting Member

    Joined:
    Dec 28, 2015
    Messages:
    124
    Location:
    Central Idaho
    I've purchased two CPOs. One was a year ago; an early 2013 S85 with 57K miles on it. I asked for the 90% charge figure before I bought that one as I was nervous about the process the first time. They gave it to me, but it wasn't part of their normal protocol. You could ask. I don't remember what the figure was, but it was acceptable to me at the time. For reference, that car now has 64K miles on it charges up to about 253 miles ish, I believe, at 100%. Maybe a mile or two less. So, if the original EPA (per wikipedia) was 265, then it's lost around ~4% over 4.5 years. I was so happy with this and didn't even bother to ask for a battery number on my latest CPO - which I just purchased last month. It's a 2015 85D, with 58K miles on it. I don't have the exact 90% or 100% figure on the new one, but it's in the same ballpark for range loss if memory serves. In my mind, I think the new one charges up to about ~263 (give or take) based on what we saw when we left Portland to drive it home. I've never range charged it, or even done an exact 90% - but eyeballing it, it seemed around there and acceptable to me. It's what I tell people it has for range when they ask! And they all ask. :)

    I agree that the way those range figures are communicated on the CPO site is not great. The EPA figures on the CPO cars on their site seem off / weird / inconsistent. I pretty much ignored them and used the real figures I could find elsewhere, but do worry that an average consumer might not be so savvy or forgiving. I know their CPO team is very, very lean and that they are working really hard to get these cars into customers' hands as quickly as possible. To sum up, asking nicely for the 90% might get you what you want, and also giving them friendly feedback on the EPA figures being kinda weird might be appreciated. Happy to answer any other questions if you want to PM me.
     
    • Like x 2
  3. tccartier

    tccartier Member

    Joined:
    Oct 27, 2015
    Messages:
    126
    Location:
    AZ.
    #3 tccartier, Jul 14, 2017
    Last edited: Jul 14, 2017
    I share your sentiment there. I'm waiting for delivery of a 2012 85kw M/S @ 44k miles and like you I'm thinking that it will be less than the EPA rated 265 miles ...how much less?? I specifically asked to have the car "range charged" when I take delivery just for that reason (and also so I can get home) I don't live in an EV friendly area, the only chargers out here are mine in my garage lol!! I'm aware that the driving and or charging habits the car has seen may factor into the range estimates / pack capacity seen (unless Tesla "as part of reconditioning" resets the clock to zero) so the estimated range will begin immediately to reflect the driving style of the cars new owner. And at what point does it not meet the minimum ??? range or battery capacity to be considered a CPO

    Please post what you see upon delivery as you will likely have your car before me (made deposit only a week or so ago) current estimate is basically WHO KNOWS!! but they said the canned answer of 4-6 weeks.

    *Note as Skitown says the loss (as conveyed to me by my CPO advisor was 1% ish per year)
     
  4. Matteo

    Matteo Member

    Joined:
    Jul 6, 2015
    Messages:
    172
    Location:
    EU
    Hi. At 55K miles the average remaining battery capacity for Model S/X is 94.5%. For the S85D, that would be 270*0.945= 255 miles with range mode on or 252 mi with range mode off. The following chart is based on survey data you can find here. To see mileage in miles, you can select a random username from the USA tab. Also check out a similar thread here.

    [​IMG]
     
    • Informative x 3
    • Love x 1

Share This Page