strider
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Yeah, that spec has always intrigued me since their 0-60 times are so poor. Has anyone actually measured that on a dyno or is that what Fisker claims (possibly copied from the motor manufacturer)?
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Fisker Karma
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The posts about Fisker suing XL Insurance over the 338 Karmas lost to Superstorm Sandy are being moved here: Fisker sues XL Insurance over 338 Karmas lost to Sandy
ModelS1079
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Drove the Karma and, hostly, it was a joy. Did not want to like it, but loved it. No acceleration c/w my Model S, and I could not be seen in public in the Batmobile - and I could only fit 4/5 of my family and heck, there is no frunk - but - the seats and "cockpit" are sweet and it hugs the road nicely. Disclaimer: never drove at about 35mph or so.
That caught my eye too. That's kinda nuts, especially when juxtaposed with Tesla.
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After market question...
Was the seat comfort mostly related to the cockpit feel (entire cabin), or is there something that could be done aftermarket to give Model S (front) seats that kind of experience? More bolstering?
rolosrevenge
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Fisker will be hard pressed to find a strategic partner. I doubt that there are many car makers struggling to put a Snidely grin on their vehicles (which is the only innovation the Karma and Fisker seem to have).
If your production rate far outstrips your sales rate, the sensible thing to do is to stop production until things even out. I had figured a while back that production must have stopped some time ago. This is clear if you just compare their anticipated sales with their actual sales (15K versus <2K). But they managed to avoid admitting the length of the stoppage until last month, and still they cast blame on A123 rather than the overarching issue which is clearly lower than expected demand. Even with the 338 Karmas lost to hurricane Sandy, Fisker still estimates they have enough supply through at least Spring.
I've said elsewhere that I think China is probably their best bet. The majority of the major drivetrain components already come from China or (soon to be) Chinese owned companies. And while I don't think Fisker has any technology that would be of value to the American, European, or Japanese majors, the system integration experience and styling ability could be of value to a Chinese company.
But this courting of partners has been going on for quite a while now. How much longer can Fisker hold out?
You have another (final)? nail in the coffin coming on monday: Cadillac ELR. It looks sharp, comes from a major and is based on a now proven drivetrain. The rumour is it has more power than the Volt. I wonder if they are aiming for Fisker's 0-60?
Moderator note: Destino, the 100% ICE using a Karma body got moved here: Destino - V8 powered Fisker Karma
Why should the ELR be a Karma-killer? It's a 2-seater with projected 0-60 of 8 seconds well off the Karma's 6 seconds, completely different styling.
rolosrevenge
Dr. EVS
http://www.greencarreports.com/news/1081954_down-to-the-wire-fisker-wants-partner-by-next-month
I think that anyone would probably be better off developing a power train from scratch.
Saw that too (was walking through the room while my wife was watching). They didn't identify the vehicle or anything; they just had a conversation while standing next to it.
I won't pretend to be an expert here, but the powertrain doesn't seem to be the Karma's strong suit, so not sure how they got that valuation.
The WSJ article (might be behind a pay wall) that GCR based that blog post on actually said, "In its pitch to potential suitors, Fisker is making the case that it offers an already developed battery-powered car that would otherwise cost more than $1 billion to develop."
So $1B to develop the car, not just the drivetrain, which makes a bit more sense. Still, just because it cost them that much to make, doesn't mean its worth that much to someone else.
A few interesting documents from the A123 bankruptcy:
Asset Purchase Agreement and Chapter 11 Information
Logan Company: Disclaimer
Fisker has an unsecured claim of nearly $50M against A123 for battery packs they were supposed to have replaced. What's interesting is included in the support documents for their claim is their January 2010 contract with A123 which shows battery costs and the expected Karma sales numbers back then. Rather ambitious.
http://www.loganandco.com/claims/ASI/ASI000627_HEVYWKVYDKVYSKVYFEAYUVVYBKCYDGVYFXBYFMVYHIVY.pdf
Asset Purchase Agreement and Chapter 11 Information
Logan Company: Disclaimer
Fisker has an unsecured claim of nearly $50M against A123 for battery packs they were supposed to have replaced. What's interesting is included in the support documents for their claim is their January 2010 contract with A123 which shows battery costs and the expected Karma sales numbers back then. Rather ambitious.
http://www.loganandco.com/claims/ASI/ASI000627_HEVYWKVYDKVYSKVYFEAYUVVYBKCYDGVYFXBYFMVYHIVY.pdf
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