Yep. The more you show the more genuine FSD it is!Here’s a photo of my autopilot screen. ...
Straightforward enough. Note that we're talking about FSD, not FSDb. Aim you and your car down a street without other cars upon it and a stop sign. Extra points for no cars parked on the shoulder, or even more points if there's a double-yellow in the middle and a white line on the right. A hundred yards short of the stop sign, double-pull the shift lever down. You should go into cruise control, with lanekeep. (Everybody gets this, these days.)I’m not complaining. I’m just trying to figure out if it’s real or not.
Is there something I could check that would give me a definitive answer one way or the other?
Ha. The spouse and I didn't pay for EAP (the predecessor to FSD) either. We went to the SC in September of 2018 to get the car. This was back, pre-COVID, so yeah, the delivery advisor sat down with us, got our key cards and apps set up, signed papers, then we all traipsed out to the car.Weird. I don’t know how I got it. But I guess it’s best to not look a gift horse in the mouth, so to speak.
I don't think you're looking at digitized road issues. I have the same problems you do and am in Central NJ, where the Google camera cars roam all over.Just got FSDb. Am in semi-rural Pa. Thought the system would do better on local roads. Issues below.
My question is …is the poor performance related to eg non-digitized roads in my area (and how do I know if they are/aren’t)? If the system is using local camera view to make decisions, then my 14 year old lab (who is deceased now) would make better decisions. Does anyone know how much a role the cameras play (as opposed to map overlay, server data, etc)? Just trying to understand if my experience is a function of where I live, or the capability of the software and process? Also, is there a setting that will make it “less aggressive” in turns and local road acceleration?
issues thus far:
1. if no lane divider it goes in the middle. Please stay to the right!
2. Turns at stop signs are apoplectic. And with a yoke, actually painful as it flings L/R/L/L/L/R/R/L/R etc. thought it would be smoother.
3. Does not look before it leaps. Actually proceeds with a turn without “inching forward” to actually see the left and right. Really badly. Online videos show much better behavior.
4. Inability to understand speed limit changes when turning onto another road until it has already accelerated (aggressively). Example - 40 mph road, left turn into our development (speed 25 or less). It turns aggressively, speeds up to 40 quickly, and then decelerates to 25, but only after having gone halfway down the street.
5. Icon to send clips to Tesla is buried in the control section - after having to override the car because of a dangerous maneuver, this is to difficult to get to quickly.
definitely a WIP. Happy to test, just a bit disappointed in its performance.
What’s a “shift lever”?Straightforward enough. Note that we're talking about FSD, not FSDb. Aim you and your car down a street without other cars upon it and a stop sign. Extra points for no cars parked on the shoulder, or even more points if there's a double-yellow in the middle and a white line on the right. A hundred yards short of the stop sign, double-pull the shift lever down. You should go into cruise control, with lanekeep. (Everybody gets this, these days.)
Keep your foot hovering over the brake. If the car comes to a gentle stop at the stop sign you've got the FSD package. Assuming there's no cross-traffic and you can go straight ahead (this is your judgement, not the car's), a tap down on the shift lever or a push on the gas pedal will put the car through the intersection.
FSD, the real deal, will stop at stop lights, whether they're red or green. If they're green, they'll go through on a tap down on the shift lever or a tap on the gas pedal. Either way, don't experiment in traffic unless you want to Really Annoy people, and be prepared to stop if the car doesn't.
The one quibble I have with your post: That assertion about "within the next 10 years".To answer the OPs question, Yes, FSD is really that bad. Now if you're a nerd like @Tronguy (and I use nerd here on purpose and positively) and want to be an active part of developing the tech and it is interesting to you, then go for it. And your wife is right, it is cheaper than a lot of other hobbies
But for anyone who buys it expecting the car to be able to take you from your house to your destination without you having to drive (which is, you know, the definition of Full Self-Driving) within the next 10 years is simply lighting money on fire.
I still get an insane amount of Phantom Braking just on TACC on my 1-month old Model X. My friend with an MY with FSDb took me to lunch the other day. The car tried to turn right on red into the path of a pickup truck doing 50mph (that was the speed limit). If he had not taken over it would not have gone well for us.
It is my opinion that Tesla will need to add and/or reposition cameras and possibly add other sensors in order to get this to actually work. It was clear that while the side-facing cameras work for doing things like lane-changes, they need to be able to look higher up to see approaching cross traffic like in my situation. It just couldn't see the approaching truck and proceeded to turn into the lane. My friend say the truck, was covering the brake, and was waiting to see what it would do. Sure enough it want halfway into the lane before my friend hit the brakes. The truck had to move out of the way and we got a (well-deserved) honk as well.