Socialism does not work, it has been tried throughout history. If you truly believe CC is a threat to life than population control will be coming right after the GND. The one thing the politicians will not give up is power, there will always be a crisis right around the corner and global cooling, global warming and now climate change has been a big money maker for 50 years.
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JRP3
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Tell all the successful socialist leaning countries how it doesn't work.
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nwdiver
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??? The GND is essentially advocating a WW2-style mobilization to fight our pathetic and incredibly destructive addiction to fools fuel. Was the US 'communist' from 1941-45?
Lazy argument to call anything you don't like socialist or communist. Most people are ignorant of what these really are... And they are nothing like what is being proposed.
A better world can emerge after coronavirus. Or a much worse one
A better world can emerge after coronavirus. Or a much worse one | Timothy Garton Ash
The coronavirus crisis seems to be encouraging belief in radical change. An astonishing 71% of Europeans are now in favour of introducing a universal basic income, according to an opinion poll designed by my research team at Oxford university and published today
What kind of historical moment will this turn out to be, for Europe and the world? It could lead us to the best of times. It could lead us to the worst of times
The proposal for a universal basic income was until recently often dismissed as far-out and utopian. But during the anti-pandemic lockdowns, many developed countries have introduced something close to it. Spain’s economy minister has said that its “minimum vital income” could become a permanent instrument in the country’s system.
A better world can emerge after coronavirus. Or a much worse one | Timothy Garton Ash
The coronavirus crisis seems to be encouraging belief in radical change. An astonishing 71% of Europeans are now in favour of introducing a universal basic income, according to an opinion poll designed by my research team at Oxford university and published today
What kind of historical moment will this turn out to be, for Europe and the world? It could lead us to the best of times. It could lead us to the worst of times
The proposal for a universal basic income was until recently often dismissed as far-out and utopian. But during the anti-pandemic lockdowns, many developed countries have introduced something close to it. Spain’s economy minister has said that its “minimum vital income” could become a permanent instrument in the country’s system.
UK's coronavirus recovery should have green focus, Johnson urged
UK's coronavirus recovery should have green focus, Johnson urged
Restarting the economy and getting people back to work after the coronavirus lockdown should focus on low-carbon work programmes, the UK government’s climate advisers have urged.
They said this would generate new jobs, protect the climate and ensure a fairer economy for everyone.
Green campaigners urged the government to heed the advice. Mike Childs, head of science at Friends of the Earth, said: “Improving people’s lives and saving the climate needs to be central to recovery, not rebuilding the profits of damaging industries. The right post-pandemic investment can push a big, positive, reset button on our carbon-guzzling and unsustainable economy and build a clean, healthy and fair world.”
Chris Venables, of the Green Alliance thinktank, said the coronavirus crisis was changing the public’s understanding of what is possible in terms of combating climate change, and changing people’s expectations of the government’s role in improving society.
UK's coronavirus recovery should have green focus, Johnson urged
Restarting the economy and getting people back to work after the coronavirus lockdown should focus on low-carbon work programmes, the UK government’s climate advisers have urged.
They said this would generate new jobs, protect the climate and ensure a fairer economy for everyone.
Green campaigners urged the government to heed the advice. Mike Childs, head of science at Friends of the Earth, said: “Improving people’s lives and saving the climate needs to be central to recovery, not rebuilding the profits of damaging industries. The right post-pandemic investment can push a big, positive, reset button on our carbon-guzzling and unsustainable economy and build a clean, healthy and fair world.”
Chris Venables, of the Green Alliance thinktank, said the coronavirus crisis was changing the public’s understanding of what is possible in terms of combating climate change, and changing people’s expectations of the government’s role in improving society.
https://www.resilience.org/stories/2020-05-06/why-the-global-north-must-become-a-student-of-the-global-south/
The writer and activist Shaun Chamberlain captures the essence of the concept in an intuitive way. Resilience is not, he says, about “predicting the future the best we can and then adapting to that”. Instead, it’s about choosing “the course of action which makes sense across the widest possible range of possible futures”. Much of mainstream sustainability discourse implicitly assumes that the fundamental trajectories of industrial civilization (mechanization, globalization, urbanization, monetization) will continue, and as a result gets stuck in detailed technological scenarios. In contrast, Chamberlain’s understanding of resilience calls us to broaden and simplify our thinking instead of trying so hard to envision “sustainable” ways to keep doing what we want, paying heed to the underlying vulnerabilities of global industrial capitalism and the disastrous consequences should those scenarios fail to keep its wheels turning. With this in mind, how can we embed our thinking in a world where collapse is not even the worst-case scenario?
Modern agroecological approaches like permaculture seek to learn from and mimic natural systems, acknowledging that with far lower access to cheap energy and external inputs, farming systems will have to depend on their immediate surroundings and use existing relationships between soil, plants and animals to perform the diverse functions necessary to sustain agriculture (like pest control, nitrogen fixation, soil nutrient cycling) instead of replacing them by artificial means (through synthetic pesticides and fertilizer). In other words, global industrial complexity must be replaced again by local ecological complexity.
In the same way, a society with fewer external sources of food, energy, materials and finance – a society with a leaner metabolism – will have to exchange much more of its energy and material throughput with its immediate surroundings. It will have to produce a diversity of food and provide for a range of other energy, material and social needs locally. Human labor will have to replace machines and energy again. Personal relationships between people will have to underpin the exchange of goods, services and labor and provide economic safety nets. In place of specialization and reliance on global industrial complexity, social and economic complexity will have to be maintained at a local level.
The writer and activist Shaun Chamberlain captures the essence of the concept in an intuitive way. Resilience is not, he says, about “predicting the future the best we can and then adapting to that”. Instead, it’s about choosing “the course of action which makes sense across the widest possible range of possible futures”. Much of mainstream sustainability discourse implicitly assumes that the fundamental trajectories of industrial civilization (mechanization, globalization, urbanization, monetization) will continue, and as a result gets stuck in detailed technological scenarios. In contrast, Chamberlain’s understanding of resilience calls us to broaden and simplify our thinking instead of trying so hard to envision “sustainable” ways to keep doing what we want, paying heed to the underlying vulnerabilities of global industrial capitalism and the disastrous consequences should those scenarios fail to keep its wheels turning. With this in mind, how can we embed our thinking in a world where collapse is not even the worst-case scenario?
Modern agroecological approaches like permaculture seek to learn from and mimic natural systems, acknowledging that with far lower access to cheap energy and external inputs, farming systems will have to depend on their immediate surroundings and use existing relationships between soil, plants and animals to perform the diverse functions necessary to sustain agriculture (like pest control, nitrogen fixation, soil nutrient cycling) instead of replacing them by artificial means (through synthetic pesticides and fertilizer). In other words, global industrial complexity must be replaced again by local ecological complexity.
In the same way, a society with fewer external sources of food, energy, materials and finance – a society with a leaner metabolism – will have to exchange much more of its energy and material throughput with its immediate surroundings. It will have to produce a diversity of food and provide for a range of other energy, material and social needs locally. Human labor will have to replace machines and energy again. Personal relationships between people will have to underpin the exchange of goods, services and labor and provide economic safety nets. In place of specialization and reliance on global industrial complexity, social and economic complexity will have to be maintained at a local level.
From the Covid Economic Disruption to a Sustainable World - Resilience
Fortunately, our response to this pandemic shows that we can change everything virtually overnight; if we continue through this open door we can create a new world that works for everyone. We simply have to:
Fortunately, our response to this pandemic shows that we can change everything virtually overnight; if we continue through this open door we can create a new world that works for everyone. We simply have to:
- Support everyone with the basic shelter, food, healthcare, and other essentials they need to sustain a decent life.
- As circumstances allow, add back those activities that are benign or beneficial to people and planet.
- Leave off all that is both inessential and harmful to people and planet.
- Steadily put people back to the great work of the transition to a sustainable world.
- Prohibit plunder of the Earth.
- Expand the money supply through Central Bank bonds for investments in Sustainable Infrastructure, a Job Guarantee, and/or a livable Universal Basic Income (UBI).
- Progressively tax financial transactions, very high incomes, and great wealth.
Charging EV with Surplus Renewable Energy, apparently it's possible in California with a JuiceBox.
First Thing: The climate can't take a return to 'business as usual'
First Thing: The climate can't take a return to 'business as usual'
The New York mayor, Bill de Blasio, a member of the newly formed C40 economic taskforce of city leaders from across the US, Europe and Africa, said it was crucial to map out a low-carbon, sustainable recovery from the crisis:
Half-measures that maintain the status quo won’t move the needle or protect us from the next crisis. We need a new deal for these times – a massive transformation that rebuilds lives, promotes equality and prevents the next economic, health or climate crisis.
First Thing: The climate can't take a return to 'business as usual'
The New York mayor, Bill de Blasio, a member of the newly formed C40 economic taskforce of city leaders from across the US, Europe and Africa, said it was crucial to map out a low-carbon, sustainable recovery from the crisis:
Half-measures that maintain the status quo won’t move the needle or protect us from the next crisis. We need a new deal for these times – a massive transformation that rebuilds lives, promotes equality and prevents the next economic, health or climate crisis.
Finnish basic income pilot improved wellbeing, study finds
Finnish basic income pilot improved wellbeing, study finds
Europe’s first national, government-backed basic income experiment did not do much to encourage recipients into work but did improve their mental wellbeing, confidence and life satisfaction, according to the first big study of a Finnish scheme that has attracted fresh interest in the coronavirus outbreak.
“The basic income recipients were more satisfied with their lives and experienced less mental strain than the control group,” the study, by researchers at Helsinki University, concluded. “They also had a more positive perception of their economic welfare.”
The study comes as the devastating economic fallout from the coronavirus crisis - including soaring unemployment worldwide - sparks renewed interest in basic income schemes. The pope suggested in his Easter address that “this may be the time to consider a universal basic wage”.
Finnish basic income pilot improved wellbeing, study finds
Europe’s first national, government-backed basic income experiment did not do much to encourage recipients into work but did improve their mental wellbeing, confidence and life satisfaction, according to the first big study of a Finnish scheme that has attracted fresh interest in the coronavirus outbreak.
“The basic income recipients were more satisfied with their lives and experienced less mental strain than the control group,” the study, by researchers at Helsinki University, concluded. “They also had a more positive perception of their economic welfare.”
The study comes as the devastating economic fallout from the coronavirus crisis - including soaring unemployment worldwide - sparks renewed interest in basic income schemes. The pope suggested in his Easter address that “this may be the time to consider a universal basic wage”.
Wow, it improved their mental wellbeing but didn't have much affect on getting them to find jobs. I see that as a complete bust. I'm sure if you increased it to $100,000 per year it would improve their wellbeing even more.
You're actually 100% wrong on this. The argument against UBI has always been that people then would have no motivation to get a job and by that argument, you would have seen everyone quit their job.
nwdiver
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Why do they 'need' to find a job?
My financial security enabled me to have the time to fight my utility and eliminate the ridiculous fee on solar PV. Wouldn't this be a better world if people were free to do what they thought needed to get done or wanted to do for the sake of improving the world instead of paying for their next meal?
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