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I think we both married well.Agreed. Mine was a Birthday present from my wife.
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I think we both married well.Agreed. Mine was a Birthday present from my wife.
We have a 16 year old 5 series BMW station wagon. 540iT that is nearing replacement time. As an EE the S is very intriguing to me and would be a perfect functional replacement for the wagon, our larger car (I do not like/want an SUV). I have been lurking on the boards for a year educating myself as to pros/cons. But with a car that costs more than our first house, and 2X more than I ever spent on a car before, it's a hard sell to the Significant Other. Probably the largest obstacle is while I am am willing to have an early adopter experience, the SO, not so much. For whatever would occur, and we know there will be plenty, I would be frequently be reminded of the cost. Be it a fit/finish issue, 12V battery issue, high cost of body repairs (if something should happen), having to travel a little further or spend a little extra time to use a supercharger, etc.
I looked at other BEVs, but with our common trips to visit family being 100, 200 or 320 miles in a day, NO other BEV today is viable. So looks like this time around the BMW will be replace with another ICE BMW (3 Series GT is high on the list). I am hoping for when when we look to replace our smaller car in a few years (currently a BMW 335D) the Tesla model 3 will be ready. More affordable, more mainstream. So Tesla, don't slip the release date of the 3, I do not have that many more driving years left to buy one!
BMW is not all that much of a much, compared to all the other gas cars out there.
BMW has everybody snowed due to advertising. Ancient business model. Outdated style, perhaps. People just think that's what the important people own. They don't.
Sorry to hear. I do hope you can manage it for a long time. As a cancer survivor myself (Thyroid), I completely understand. For me the removal and radiation treatments were 15 years ago. While, I'm essentially fine, I do have to deal with the aftermath in some way just about everyday, the source of the comment about not many more years.Especially poignant is the "not many more years" comment. I learned a couple months back that I have lymphoma, and I truly don't have that many more years left to drive.
Couldn't agree more!! I was experimenting with variable speed AC drives in college over 40 years ago. Now they are common place. I also worked on a team (for fun) on an electric car back then too. Essentially a crude version of the Volt with a range extender engine/alternator. Picture this, a AMC Gremlin (hey it was donated) filled with 20 golf cart batteries. The DC electric motor (direct drive to the rear axle) was sitting between the front seats. But it still had a V6 up front with an BIG alternator to charge the batteries. Went pretty fast and had about a 30 mile range without charging. Most interesting event is when one drivers got the order of things wrong turning on the Hydrogen exhausting fan AFTER he had been driving for a while. Let's just say his ears were ringing for a pretty long time.And a Tesla is not like anything else in the world.
For MartinAustin, nearly $70K for a car with 40K miles is still a lot of $$. Considering after the $7500 rebate the one I would option would end up costing about $86K, wouldn't you spend that extra $18K for one with 0 miles, new features, new battery and new tires?
While I never considered AWD important (don't have it now) the past 2 winters in NJ has me thinking!!
Yes I do!! But only on one car, the other stays in the garage during bad weather. There were many winters I did not even have to put them on. But not lately....
Responding to update: I have a very young grandchild, and I know a baby seat would work nicely in the back of the S. In regards to the save the earth arguments, I'm all for it! But (putting up force field now) I work for a major oil company :scared:
Sounds like you have an opportunity to talk about how the Model S is the safest car on the road.
It's painful to read the OP post where they are saying they have BMWs and are going to buy yet another BMW. I'd buy a VW Rabbit before buying a BMW anything.
Did you see the EuroNCAP crash results of the Model S?
No contesting that it is a very safe car, but not any safer than most other models tested lately - plus in some aspects it fared quite a bit worse than other cars, even from far cheaper market segments. Just a few examples of current models with (sometimes far) higher scores than Model S:
Ford Mondeo, Mercedes C-Class, Mercedes GLA, VW Passat, Kia Sorento, Jeep Renegade, Skoda Fabia...
My first house was about $10,000. Comparing the cost of a Tesla to a first house is a house of cards, too.
No. I missed those results. Still hung up on the US testing I guess. However, I just looked and I see what you mean. On the other hand, it still got 5 stars -- which is a relief!
My first house was about $10,000.
If you dig deeper into the EuroNCAP results you see that Tesla's percent scores should be higher than reported because of an airbag deployment issue that has apparently been rectified. Also, unlike Tesla, some cars have a feature called AEB (avoidance emergency braking) which gives them better scores but does't necessarily make the cars more crashworthy, it just helps them not crash as hard.
Possibly, but these issues affect only some of the scores (Occupant / Child / Pestrian / Active safety features). The Merc GLA for example got 96 / 88 / 67 / 70 versus the Model S's 82 / 77 / 66 / 71. Interestingly Model S fared better in the last category, even though AEB is part of that category.
Oh and as for people driving a BMW for status: sure, many do, I am not one of them.
If you dig deeper into the EuroNCAP results you see that Tesla's percent scores should be higher than reported because of an airbag deployment issue that has apparently been rectified. Also, unlike Tesla, some cars have a feature called AEB (autonomous emergency braking) which gives them better scores but does not necessarily make the cars more crashworthy, it just helps them not crash as hard.
Did Telsa add that (or are going to) with the new camera hardware and software?
Did you see the EuroNCAP crash results of the Model S?
No contesting that it is a very safe car, but not any safer than most other models tested lately - plus in some aspects it fared quite a bit worse than other cars, even from far cheaper market segments. Just a few examples of current models with (sometimes far) higher scores than Model S:
Ford Mondeo, Mercedes C-Class, Mercedes GLA, VW Passat, Kia Sorento, Jeep Renegade, Skoda Fabia...
Euro NCAP’s frontal impact test simulates a car crashing into another of similar mass and structure. In real life, when two cars collide the vehicle with the higher mass has an advantage over the lighter one. Generally speaking, vehicles with higher structures tend to fare better in accidents than those with lower structures. Therefore, ratings are comparable only between cars of similar mass and with broadly similar structures. Euro NCAP groups cars into the following structural categories: passenger car, MPV, off-roader, roadster and pickup. Within each of those categories, cars which are within 150kg of one another are considered comparable.
According to Euro NCAP's websiteuro NCAP’s frontal impact test simulates a car crashing into another of similar mass and structure. In real life, when two cars collide the vehicle with the higher mass has an advantage over the lighter one. Generally speaking, vehicles with higher structures tend to fare better in accidents than those with lower structures. Therefore, ratings are comparable only between cars of similar mass and with broadly similar structures. Euro NCAP groups cars into the following structural categories: passenger car, MPV, off-roader, roadster and pickup. Within each of those categories, cars which are within 150kg of one another are considered comparable.
At least the front crash test of the 1200 kg Skoda Fabia with a car of similar weight is not comparable to a crash test of the 2100 kg Model S with a car of similar weight. If you were to crash a Skoda Fabia into a Model S, those 5 stars wouldn't help as much. [My underline.]
On the other hand: Every Model S order increases demand. With enough demand Tesla can scale up production of the Model S, which in turn can increase economies of scale, making the Model S a little more affordable, while at the same time giving Tesla more cash to "accelerate the advent of sustainable transport by bringing compelling mass market electric cars to market as soon as possible"..../ There are plenty of good reasons to not buy a Model S. It's too big, you can't afford it, it's your only car and there aren't Superchargers where you need to go, etc. And they are selling all they can make, so I am not trying to talk you in to something you don't want to do; it won't make a difference in the larger picture. /...
The Mission of Tesla
Elon Musk, Chairman, Product Architect & CEO November 18, 2013
Our goal when we created Tesla a decade ago was the same as it is today: to accelerate the advent of sustainable transport by bringing compelling mass market electric cars to market as soon as possible. [My underline.] [...
The Mission of Tesla | Tesla Motors