Has anyone received a 100D?

[S4WRXTTCS]

I love the irony of an electric car being help up by a rule meant for traditional ICE cars.

The whole EPA rating is utterly pointless for an electric car.

the other thing I find funny is I've never seen this kind of hold up with any other Model S. It's not something I would have even thought about.

They released the 70, the 75, the 90 fairly quickly without any hint of the EPA delaying things.

The transition is the only thing that can explain the delay. I can't imagine the moral there is all that high right now. Not when the head of the agency hates the agency, and denies human caused climate change.

 

[DarkMatter]

We don't actually know which rule it is being held up by. For all we know it could be to confirm the data for the Monroney sticker, which has been adjusted to also apply to electric vehicles.

 

[boonedocks]

Emailed my congressman and both state senators today "encouraging" them the stick their noses into the situation!!!

 

[bob_p]

It's because they don't have an explanation to provide. There's no news because there's no news. Something is sitting on a bureaucrat's desk, and there's not a thing you or Tesla can do. I've had to deal with this more than a few times. No one has an objection, but no one will sign off on anything.

It's like watching a bunch of folks waiting for someone else to cut the cake before they'll take a piece. It's enough to drive you crazy.

Hang in there, folks. It will happen, but there's no news because there's no news.

Actually... While Tesla may not be able to provide any accurate prediction of how much longer the hold will last, they should at least inform the affected customers of why their 100Ds are being held.

It appears no one has received an official notification from Tesla about the reasons behind the hold. All we have are rumors and messages from the local Tesla staff or phone support - and there isn't consistency of those messages. [Which isn't unusual, Tesla field and phone staff haven't always been reliable information sources.]

Tesla is very transparent on the order process, sending informative messages as cars go through each step in the order and delivery process. But once we hit the delivery hold - Tesla hasn't provided any information.

If this really is as simple as "we're waiting for the EPA certification" - then why shouldn't Tesla admit that and confirm the rumors, and if they don't have any idea of how long this could take - that's OK, at least be honest so we aren't pestering the delivery specialists or scheduling tentative delivery appointments.

We have a 100D that's been sitting at the Service Center for delivery - for 18 days. And, so far, I've been given reasons ranging from "waiting for the EPA" to there's a safety problem being addressed or that we're waiting for a critical software update. And I've heard those reasons from multiple people.

While we're disappointed we can't complete the purchase of our car, the more serious concern is Tesla's lack of communications. If they're expecting us to write a $100+K check for the 100D we've ordered - and Tesla needed to delay our purchase by 3+ weeks, shouldn't they provide a clear and official explanation for that delay?

And, if they aren't willing to provide that explanation... Should customers be concerned there may be more going on than just waiting for the EPA to certify the numbers???

 

[Dinosaver]

bob_p, I've run a public company before and it looks to me like a probability play. If Tesla thinks there's a medium chance the delay will prohibit deliveries in Q1 and affect quarterly earnings, they likely would try to get in front of it and control the message. If they think there's only a small chance for a Q1 hit they might avoid addressing the topic so the press can't use it to fuel a hit piece. If they think there's only a tiny chance for a Q1 hit (which seems to be the case), they probably roll the dice and hope/show it was all a non-issue driven by a small number of freaked out over-analytical message boarders (including me). There aren't many pick-up delays being reported. My delivery to San Diego has been showing 'late-Mar to April' for months and my DM asked yesterday how Mar 29-31 looks. I can't expect Tesla to address my complaint when the delay hasn't actually affected me. I think many of us are on the same page, our dates approaching, and being concerned that we might be affected. But hey, that's just a reflection of our enthusiasm for the product!

 

[ecarfan]

so far, I've been given reasons ranging from "waiting for the EPA" to there's a safety problem being addressed or that we're waiting for a critical software update.

And the reason for the delay could be all those things or a subset of them. I would not assume there is a single reason. We just don't know.

 

[TexLaw]

@bob_p , I have to agree with @Dinosaver

Tesla does not want to make this a big story on their own. If someone wants to report about it, then so be it. First, the stock price will take a hit, and they don't want that. Even though the hit will be temporary, companies tend not to like that sort of volatility (it makes financing more expensive). More importantly, likely, is that they don't want to get in a public slap fight with the EPA. Tesla has to do a lot of important business with the EPA, and the new administration ain't exactly fans.

You know what the situation is, and you can be confident that Tesla is doing what they can to resolve it. An "official explanation" adds nothing but potential headlines that say "Tesla Points Finger at EPA" or something similarly inflammatory.

We all understand having ants in our pants, and knowing that your car is waiting on I-45 for a bureaucrat's signature sure as heck doesn't help. Tesla's alternative would have been to hold off production until all the EPA business was done, and that only would have delayed things even further. It's time to take a few breaths, say the serenity prayer, take a walk, pet the dog, or do whatever brings a bit of peace. Christmas Day will come.

 

[roguenode]

Maybe our 100Ds will be there at the same time... Hopefully the release is lifted soon so you can take delivery.

Thanks Erik

That could happen, we both have very similar timeframes. The wait isn't a true problem for us. It's just not fun delaying the excitement of having the car. I'll actually be pleasantly surprised if we have our cars by the end of the month.

 

[bonnie]

@bob_p , I have to agree with @Dinosaver

Tesla does not want to make this a big story on their own. If someone wants to report about it, then so be it. First, the stock price will take a hit, and they don't want that. Even though the hit will be temporary, companies tend not to like that sort of volatility (it makes financing more expensive). More importantly, likely, is that they don't want to get in a public slap fight with the EPA. Tesla has to do a lot of important business with the EPA, and the new administration ain't exactly fans.

You know what the situation is, and you can be confident that Tesla is doing what they can to resolve it. An "official explanation" adds nothing but potential headlines that say "Tesla Points Finger at EPA" or something similarly inflammatory.

We all understand having ants in our pants, and knowing that your car is waiting on I-45 for a bureaucrat's signature sure as heck doesn't help. Tesla's alternative would have been to hold off production until all the EPA business was done, and that only would have delayed things even further. It's time to take a few breaths, say the serenity prayer, take a walk, pet the dog, or do whatever brings a bit of peace. Christmas Day will come.

Also worth note is that Tesla is undoubtedly driving this hard. Well-intentioned owners, who do not know all the facts, calling targeted people at EPA could very likely further delay release if they manage to upset folks at EPA.

By all means call people at Tesla. That's who your business relationship is with. But no matter how good the intentions, calling EPA will not help & could very likely result in further delays.

 

[bob_p]

Since this hold only affects a relatively small number of cars - the new 100Ds, the delay shouldn't have a huge impact on Q1 numbers, if the deliveries are held into April. So admitting there's a delay shouldn't have much bottom line impact on Tesla's Q1 financials.

If Tesla is only waiting for EPA certification, that's not a big deal - and is something that has resulted in slight delays in deliveries of other vehicles. It doesn't indicate there's a problem with Tesla's cars - just that it takes time for the EPA to complete their certification. So announcing that also shouldn't have any impact on Tesla - and once Tesla gets the certification, the cars are released - no big deal.

But... if this hold continues for much longer and Tesla still isn't read to publicly comment - is there more to this than just waiting for the EPA?

Tesla has great customer loyalty, because customers feel Tesla tries to treat their customers well. Which makes the lack of information about this hold surprising.

Still holding out hope the hostage crisis will end early next week...

 

[Pinot.Noir]

Yeah. Harassing a civil servant whose annual salary is very likely less than the cost of the vehicle ... totally going to work. And then demanding they do what you want because YOU pay their salary is definitely going to cement the deal.

Let us know how your plan works out for you.

Her annual salary in 2015 was $134,521 plus a bonus of $625, so more than the cost of a 100D.

I'll let you know how it works out when I call her on Monday.

 

[bonnie]

Her annual salary in 2015 was $134,521 plus a bonus of $625, so more than the cost of a 100D.

I'll let you know how it works out when I call her on Monday.

I'll be surprised if she is willing to discuss Tesla's business without their permission. But good luck and I hope it turns out for you. It would be a shame if you caused any problems not only for yourself, but for other soon-to-be 100D owners also. And for Tesla.

I can tell you're going to do this, no matter what anyone else says. It would be great if you would reach out to Tesla Legal first, before interfering in their business. Your only standing is you want your car now. You don't own it. So it's not YOUR car being held up.

 

[Pinot.Noir]

Bonnie, I am a citizen, and therefore have a right to discuss what a government agency is doing on my behalf. If you think she would turn around and make getting approval more difficult for Tesla because I am personally inquiring, then you aren't being realistic. I'm not going to yell or call her names, I'm going to ask questions. Despite what you may have read, I'm not going to disrespect her on the phone unless she is first disrespectful to me. I deal with the government every day in my job, and the easiest way to get answers is to go straight to the source. Tesla employees are being purposely vague on this issue, so if it's truly an EPA issue then why not ask the person in charge of the department at the EPA what the issue is? You do realize we have the right to question "authority", right? I don't think I'm being the least bit unreasonable here, and find it rather amusing that people think I'm going to somehow harm Tesla by making an inquiry to a government agency.

Also, it is indeed MY car, as I have already paid for it.

 

[bonnie]

Bonnie, I am a citizen, and therefore have a right to discuss what a government agency is doing on my behalf. If you think she would turn around and make getting approval more difficult for Tesla because I am personally inquiring, then you aren't being realistic. I'm not going to yell or call her names, I'm going to ask questions. Despite what you may have read, I'm not going to disrespect her on the phone unless she is first disrespectful to me. I deal with the government every day in my job, and the easiest way to get answers is to go straight to the source. Tesla employees are being purposely vague on this issue, so if it's truly an EPA issue then why not ask the person in charge of the department at the EPA what the issue is? You do realize we have the right to question "authority", right? I don't think I'm being the least bit unreasonable here, and find it rather amusing that people think I'm going to somehow harm Tesla by making an inquiry to a government agency.

Also, it is indeed MY car, as I have already paid for it.

I can only go by what you typed earlier.

FYI, also have worked with the government every day in my career. That experience is what is driving my comments here. Sure, I went straight to the source for answers when it was MY business, but if I had called inquiring about another company's pending submissions, I would have rightfully been told to pound sand.

Please don't characterize my words as not having a right to question authority. I think I was pretty clear in stating it's not YOUR car (regardless of what money has been paid, you have not taken delivery) and I believed you have no standing nor are entitled to interfere in the Tesla-EPA relationship, without their invitation. The authority you should be questioning is Tesla. That's the business relationship you have created.

 

[Canuck]

call her every 10 minutes on Monday during her normal work hours

I'm not going to disrespect her on the phone

You and I have a difference of opinion when it comes to what it means to disrespect someone.

 

[timx]

<Conjecture> If the 100D battery is the same as that in the P100D, then Tesla should have been able to produce initial vehicles at the same time as P100D, well in time for EPA approval. It wouldn't have needed to be a secret either, as they announced there would eventually be a 100D back then. Given that this "hold" exists now would seem to indicate that there are other things different with 100D (being unable to produce them earlier) causing the delay in the EPA process. It's plausible that the retooling introduced some other changes (HUD, electrochromic glass, who knows), and they don't want to announce anything until fulfilling other orders and having a clear date to delineate. EPA hold (or the rather generic descriptions provided) could be cover for other things. March 16 (after referral period ends) could be an announcement date and release of hold.</Conjecture>

 

[DÆrik]

<Conjecture> If the 100D battery is the same as that in the P100D, then Tesla should have been able to produce initial vehicles at the same time as P100D, well in time for EPA approval. It wouldn't have needed to be a secret either, as they announced there would eventually be a 100D back then. Given that this "hold" exists now would seem to indicate that there are other things different with 100D (being unable to produce them earlier) causing the delay in the EPA process. It's plausible that the retooling introduced some other changes (HUD, electrochromic glass, who knows), and they don't want to announce anything until fulfilling other orders and having a clear date to delineate. EPA hold (or the rather generic descriptions provided) could be cover for other things. March 16 (after referral period ends) could be an announcement date and release of hold.</Conjecture>

Music to my ears. I have thought the HUD would be coming soon to S & X, especially since Elon said that everything in the Model 3 will have already been in the S/X. But there are so many other rumors floating around I have no idea what is really happening.

Either way, I can't wait to get my 100D. Hopefully they are released soon.

Thanks Erik

 

[Pinot.Noir]

You and I have a difference of opinion when it comes to what it means to disrespect someone.

Must everything here be taken literally? Jeesh.

 

[Canuck]

Must everything here be taken literally? Jeesh.

Sorry, it's taking me some time to learn not to take what is said literally but Trump and you are training me...

 

[bob_p]

Of those of us who are waiting for 100D deliveries...

• Has anyone already paid for their undelivered 100D?
  
• Has anyone already sold the vehicle the 100D will be replacing, and are short a vehicle, and now renting a car until the 100D is available?
  
• Has anyone already received Tesla and/or 3rd party trade-in quotes, that will likely expire before Tesla will deliver the 100Ds?