ABVA
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Yes he isIsn't this the same guy who made 5 minute video showing how to open the charge port with the key fob?
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Yes he isIsn't this the same guy who made 5 minute video showing how to open the charge port with the key fob?
Yes he is
This one is over 28 minutesIndeed. But to be fair, it was only one minute--that I'll never get back.
To each their own but I can't see how buying or leasing an expensive vehicle is making "good financial choices" in any sense of that phrase. I didn't watch the video but I assume you have to cut down on other expenses in order to pay for this expense. If so, in my view, someone who really is making "good financial choices" would buy a revenue property, or other investment, that pays you back, before buying an expensive vehicle -- which really is just pouring money down the drain -- and makes no sense financially, no matter how you look at it.
The environment is the most precious and valuable resource humanity has. That fools discount its value to zero out of convenience and a myopic analysis of effects is besides the point. The more important difficulties are 1, the time horizon; and 2, the tendency for the environment to be a study in tragedy of the commons.Don't look now, Canuck, but you just made an argument for not supporting climate change and environmental protection initiatives. Perhaps you should revise your statement a bit? It needs some caveats. Recognition that life is about more than just "good financial choices", which I'm pretty sure you believe in, but it doesn't sound like it from that particular post. Also, a caveat that buying a Tesla is not necessarily pouring money down the drain, as you can buy a Tesla, as I did, to support a company that is making a real and successful effort to help society transition to renewable energy. To do that, I had to make some "good financial choices" in some areas to ensure I had the funds to put my money primarily where I think it matters -- on climate change and clean sustainable energy initiatives.
I realize you were probably just criticizing other aspects of the matter, but in doing so, be careful not to accidentally trample on your own ideals. Goes for the rest of you too.
The environment is the most precious and valuable resource humanity has. That fools discount its value to zero out of convenience and a myopic analysis of effects is besides the point. The more important difficulties are 1, the time horizon; and 2, the tendency for the environment to be a study in tragedy of the commons.
So while I agree that a $100k EV is not going to benefit the personal finances of a car owner and will not in and of itself benefit the larger community, Tesla has said that those cars let the company grow and develop to where the Model 3 is possible. So one Model S might lead to 100 Model 3, and that can be the road to substantial environmental benefit and community value.
Simple analyses are just not helpful with these questions.
Nah, people need to see our EVs out on the road getting used!I suppose you could say even my support for environmental causes has it's limits. I could have simply handed over $72,000 to Tesla without asking for a used car in return. Who knows. Maybe I should have.
Don't look now, Canuck, but you just made an argument for not supporting climate change and environmental protection initiatives.
I'm the first to say if you can't afford it, don't buy it.
You should never be buying a Tesla if you can't afford to put all of your kids through college. I'm glad to be pushing people away if that's the case. No one should live beyond their means.
While I'm not so naive as to think I'm changing the world by buying a Tesla, or that Tesla itself will even change the world, since I think it's too late, and we're circling the drain, I do have my legacy. In fact that's all I've got is my legacy.
Buy a rental which clears $600/month + $200/month savings in gas = $800/month = BOOM free Tesla!To each their own but I can't see how buying or leasing an expensive vehicle is making "good financial choices" in any sense of that phrase. I didn't watch the video but I assume you have to cut down on other expenses in order to pay for this expense. If so, in my view, someone who really is making "good financial choices" would buy a revenue property, or other investment, that pays you back, before buying an expensive vehicle -- which really is just pouring money down the drain -- and makes no sense financially, no matter how you look at it.
Eh, residential rentals aren't all they're cracked up to be.Buy a rental which clears $600/month + $200/month savings in gas = $800/month = BOOM free Tesla!
I don't see it that way.
My position on this issue has always been consistent, as I said here in the "Convincing a Sceptic" thread, last September:
This remains my position. I'm a firm believer in getting your own financial house in order before going about trying to help accelerate the move to sustainable transport by buying an expensive Model S. There's a ton of things a person can do to help the transition to EVs without buying a Model S. There's also better ways to help the environment, and your financial bottom line, if you can't afford to buy a Tesla (or even if you can) such as growing a vegetable garden (I eat from mine every day), bike when you can instead of driving, and the list goes on and on, including perhaps waiting for the Model 3 if that is more within your budget than a Model S.
As I said before in that other thread:
I would never want my children to look back on my legacy as someone who could not live within his means regardless of the fact that living beyond my means meant buying a Model S.
Forgive me for having wasted 10 minute's of my life. The first 9 minutes and thirty seconds he spent selling his other videos. The last 30 seconds said consider a CPO and don't get every option.This guy reminds me of salesmen at traditional dealerships. Something I was happy I could avoid when buying my Tesla.
You know what? I'm being pretty grumpy towards everyone. I'm sorry for that. I'm just a little angry at the world right now.I don't see it that way.
My position on this issue has always been consistent, as I said here in the "Convincing a Sceptic" thread, last September:
This remains my position. I'm a firm believer in getting your own financial house in order before going about trying to help accelerate the move to sustainable transport by buying an expensive Model S. There's a ton of things a person can do to help the transition to EVs without buying a Model S. There's also better ways to help the environment, and your financial bottom line, if you can't afford to buy a Tesla (or even if you can) such as growing a vegetable garden (I eat from mine every day), bike when you can instead of driving, and the list goes on and on, including perhaps waiting for the Model 3 if that is more within your budget than a Model S.
As I said before in that other thread:
I would never want my children to look back on my legacy as someone who could not live within his means regardless of the fact that living beyond my means meant buying a Model S.
You know what? I'm being pretty grumpy towards everyone. I'm sorry for that. I'm just a little angry at the world right now.