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I traded in my Model S for a Prius Prime

skiwhmts

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Hello pkitch. I am not disagreeing with the move to tesla and electric cars in general. My next car will probably be a Tesla. I am just saying Tesla has a problem with inconsistent quality on things that should be easy. Some people get perfect cars and others get a host of issues. The ironic thing is it most often the problems are with the small stuff.
 
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SO16

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Hello pkitch. I am not disagreeing with the move to tesla and electric cars in general. My next car will probably be a Tesla. I am just saying Tesla has a problem with inconsistent quality on things that should be easy. Some people get perfect cars and others get a host of issues. The ironic thing is it most often the problems are with the small stuff.
I agree that the issues that arise with Tesla are stupid little things that should easily be avoided. Just have the delivery specialist do a quick 5 minute inspection of the vehicle before contacting the buyer. Could avoid the easily fixable panel gap issues when they do occur.

Fortunately these issues are often resolved quickly it seems.
 

bobby g

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First, I didn't read the entire thread.

I came to my M3 from an Sti (for fun) and a Volt gen2 (for travel). I did a ton of research and found the Volt the best phev. I only had it about 30k miles but ran mpge off the charts by operating at 82% electric over it's lifetime. That included 3 trips from socal to AZ with the Grand canyon on the return once. The Prius couldn't do that. (Android Auto was nice on it as well)

So won't fault your step over but I think you picked the wrong hybrid. But for sure customer support is better
 

Hayseed_MS

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Hello pkitch. I am not disagreeing with the move to tesla and electric cars in general. My next car will probably be a Tesla. I am just saying Tesla has a problem with inconsistent quality on things that should be easy. Some people get perfect cars and others get a host of issues. The ironic thing is it most often the problems are with the small stuff.
Not excusing Tesla, but that is true on any manufacturer. I had a Jaguar that had a interior door bolt missing that held the handle on. I had a X5 that did not have the AC filled (no leaks). Had a Nissan that was repurchased due to transmission faults, Subaru that spent weeks with mfg rep to fix O2 issue. Etc.
 

skiwhmts

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One of the things I like about the Prius Prime is it is inexpensive and reliable. So it is great for parking in the city, leaving at the airport, running errands, loaning to a family member or friend. With discounts it was $24,000 new and its the perfect spare car you don't need to worry about. It looks like every other Prius so its not showy yet holds it value. It is the type of car you can give to a young family member and know they will not be saddled with high repair bills. I gave a 2015 Prius to a teenage nephew who is just getting his license when I got it and I would not of done that with a BMW or any other high end car.
 

Needsdecaf

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Yes, but in that case it runs as a traditional hybrid (battery used to store/recover excess kinetic energy during braking and costing). There is no option to run it as a purely gasoline vehicle.

I'm not understanding the logic behind this thought process. Why would you buy a vehicle with a hybrid powertrain, and then want an option to not run it as a hybrid? If I'm buying a hybrid, I want it running off the battery as often as possible! Otherwise....buy a ICE only car.
 

ucmndd

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I'm not understanding the logic behind this thought process. Why would you buy a vehicle with a hybrid powertrain, and then want an option to not run it as a hybrid? If I'm buying a hybrid, I want it running off the battery as often as possible! Otherwise....buy a ICE only car.
There's some missing context in this conversation RE "hybrid" vs "plug-in hybrid".
 

Needsdecaf

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Our next EV will not be a Tesla. We want something that's properly made by a non-insane company. We are seriously looking at Rivian R1S. The Model Y and X are crap compared to this proper SUV. Elon can shove it.

Should you change your signature then? ;)

Can't say I blame you. It does take a certain "commitment" to stick with the brand after a while, methinks. Who am I to talk, I bought a second one voluntarily, LOL>
 

ucmndd

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Bingo! Thank you!
I'm not sure "banning" people with outlying service experiences is a particularly sound strategy, nor do I think @roblab is lying about his experience.

I've also had a drama-free ownership experience with very few service needs over 120,000 miles. Should I not speak about that? I think it's an important element to consider in what I think is Tesla's biggest problem these days - inconsistency. The Tesla ownership experience is a crap shoot dependent on the quality of the copy you receive and the specific service center (or even service center employee) you are forced to interact with.
 
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Needsdecaf

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I'm not sure "banning" people with outlying service experiences is a particularly sound strategy, nor do I think @roblab is lying about his experience.

I've also had a drama-free ownership experience with very few service needs over 120,000 miles. Should I not speak about that? I think it's an important element to consider in what I think is Tesla's biggest problem these days - inconsistency. The Tesla ownership experience is a crap shoot dependent on the quality of the copy you receive and the specific service center (or even service center employee) you are forced to interact with.

Agreed.

Personally, having been in business a while, working for service companies, and learning and having been formally taught about customer service, what I see in Tesla is a lack of institutional focus on customer service. I'm not talking about appeasing every Chad or Karen that comes through the door, but HONEST customer service that comes from doing the right thing, even if that means telling the customer no sometimes. Tesla doesn't seem to care CORPORATELY. Which means that your customer service comes down to how much the person you're interacting with gives a crap. And don't get me wrong, I've interacted with Tesla employees who do, really do give a crap. But you can tell there's no motivation for those who naturally don't. And so we get what we get. Inconsistent build, inconsistent product, inconsistent service.

I mean, about 3-4 weeks ago, I had a mobile service appointment scheduled to replace my horn. No biggie. The morning of my appointment I had a personal emergency come up, and I had to cancel and re-schedule. I rescheduled for a little over a week and a half out. Again, no huge biggie.

Right before my re-scheduled appointment, I get a note that the part I need is not available, and they have to re-schedule my service. Now, I say, what are the odds that someone ELSE needed a Model 3 horn in that span of 9 days and forced my appointment to be canceled? Was that an excuse? Was the mobile tech originally going to come out with no horn and have to order one? I don't know but it's very odd.
 
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AMPd

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I'm not sure "banning" people with outlying service experiences is a particularly sound strategy, nor do I think @roblab is lying about his experience.

I've also had a drama-free ownership experience with very few service needs over 120,000 miles. Should I not speak about that? I think it's an important element to consider in what I think is Tesla's biggest problem these days - inconsistency. The Tesla ownership experience is a crap shoot dependent on the quality of the copy you receive and the specific service center (or even service center employee) you are forced to interact with.
I guess I wasn’t clear enough, what I’m saying is he’s lying about his car never needing any service beyond consumable items, he’s lying that his car is trouble free. I was half joking about banning him, I’m sure most people already know he’s pulling a troll job with every post.
 

pkitch

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lolwut

This is completely nonsensical. Of course spewing "less poison" is a good argument. Cleaning the fleet economically and incrementally has been the cornerstone of our clean air efforts for 50 years, and has paid remarkable dividends.
So inhaling less exhaust fumes for you would be OK?
 

pkitch

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Hello pkitch. I am not disagreeing with the move to tesla and electric cars in general. My next car will probably be a Tesla. I am just saying Tesla has a problem with inconsistent quality on things that should be easy. Some people get perfect cars and others get a host of issues. The ironic thing is it most often the problems are with the small stuff.
Yes would definitely agree, mine might not be a Tesla either, but it will be another EV. That said, I am a fan of Tesla's stated ambition for transition over shareholder profits but this only buys a certain amount of goodwill to look past many of the issues that other manufacturers are addressing in production and post sale.
 
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ucmndd

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So inhaling less exhaust fumes for you would be OK?
Most certainly. Your argument is literally that the choice is "binary", implying that unless you can eliminate the production/breathing of all exhaust fumes you might as well not bother at all.

I stand by my original statement, that's completely nonsensical and bordering on absurd.
 
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pkitch

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Most certainly. Your argument is literally that the choice is "binary", implying that unless you can eliminate the production/breathing of all exhaust fumes you might as well not bother at all.

I stand by my original statement, that's completely nonsensical and bordering on absurd.
Isn't the choice between a hybrid and an EV binary in terms of emitted poison? I would choose zero. You stick with your sensible choice.
 

ucmndd

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Isn't the choice between a hybrid and an EV binary in terms of emitted poison?

Only at the tailpipe, which is an overly simplistic view and represents only a fraction of the overall emissions when considering the entire lifecycle of a vehicle from raw materials production to scrapping/recycling.

There are compelling arguments and analyses that demonstrate the cradle-to-grave emissions of BEVs and PHEVs are similar, there is a break-even point with respect to mileage, and that some use cases would actually favor the PHEV dependent on the amount of all electric driving one can do and the local source makeup of the power grid.

In other words, not binary. You've just front-loaded all of your emissions with the BEV into one dramatic "mass-poisoning event" and pretended they're someone else's problem.
 

demundus

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Hanging around here for years now (some have even accused me of being a ghost moderator lol?) its interesting to see the long standing guys change their tunes from "tesla forever" to "meh-sla, ill buy another EV tho".

No reservations about NOT buying another Tesla. I still have my 2013, and Tesla gave up on me in 2014, I gave up on them in 2019. It was a long 5 years of hoping it would get better.

Was tired of dating the narcissistic super-model, and life's been good since the breakup.
 
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