InsideEVs: Key Fob free to current owners!

[N5329K]

#confused

Just means that even dialed way down it was fun to drive.
Robin

 

[nvx1977]

If the fob has to be taken out and a key pressed, then I don't view it as an improvement over the card. If it can stay in a pocket/purse and work like a Prius fob then it is tempting but expensive and subject to man-in-middle thefts.

Tesla has bowed to popular noise but I'm skeptical of the benefit.

I expect "PIN to Drive" will get pushed to Model 3. It's 2-factor auth that is now available on S/X to eliminate the man-in-middle thefts. I've turned back on "passive entry" on our S again after we set the code.

Model 3 used to auto-unlock on phone proximity when it was first released, so pretty sure they can make this work with the fob.

 

[brianman]

Just means that even dialed way down it was fun to drive.

I understand but it's an abomination to consider "Chill Mode" and "Test Drive" in the same sentence.

It's like evaluating a bottle of wine based on the empty glass.

 

[N5329K]

I understand but it's an abomination to consider "Chill Mode" and "Test Drive" in the same sentence.

It's like evaluating a bottle of wine based on the empty glass.

Different strokes for different folks...
I didn't bother invoking the autopilot either, It's just not something I want or need.
Robin

 

[SDKoala]

Wow, it's like Christmas! (Or maybe in Tesla-time we will actually get them around Christmas...or later...)

 

[crackers8199]

The cost

huh? the s and x both come with a fob, do they not? how is the cost any different?

 

[Thomas Edison]

That’s like ordering a taco surpreme but holding the sour cream and tomatoes.

That's literally my order. /sadface

 

[CapnOMatic]

Fobs !!! Fobs !!! We don't need no stinkin' Fobs !!!

I agree, I like using my phone as the key. I still have yet to use the key cards for anything at all. My phone works like a charm, not sure what all the drama and love is about a key FOB. I would rather get rid of all the current keys I have in my pocket and not have to carry them around everywhere it was a move in the right direction in my mind with regards to simplifying my life. The key FOB is a step backwards in my opinion.

 

[CapnOMatic]

I understand but it's an abomination to consider "Chill Mode" and "Test Drive" in the same sentence.

It's like evaluating a bottle of wine based on the empty glass.

Well keep in mind that most of us who bought Model 3's early evaluated the "wine" based on looking at someone else drink

 

[BioSehnsucht]

If the fob has to be taken out and a key pressed, then I don't view it as an improvement over the card. If it can stay in a pocket/purse and work like a Prius fob then it is tempting but expensive and subject to man-in-middle thefts.

Tesla has bowed to popular noise but I'm skeptical of the benefit.

While you can never be truly certain of being immune to MITM attacks, and the older fob system on the older S vehicles was susceptible to it, I am not aware of any such successes against the BLE system that the X uses, and now the S uses, and soon the 3 will use.

It shouldn't be any more or less likely to be MITM than the BLE based phone-as-key, either.

So while older fob systems were potential MITM targets, the BLE systems are more secure and the phone vs fob should be roughly similar risks. I'm sure eventually someone will produce a widespread MITM for stealing / breaking into such BLE based vehicles, but it hasn't happened yet AFAIK.

 

[SageBrush]

huh? the s and x both come with a fob, do they not? how is the cost any different?

Off the top of my head, the R&D and implementation of the phone and card.

 

[Jaguar]

I need a fob. My current phone won't open the door and I don't want to buy another. The card is fine, until winter when the doors and pillars are covered in snow and ice.

 

[MXWing]

I understand but it's an abomination to consider "Chill Mode" and "Test Drive" in the same sentence.

It's like evaluating a bottle of wine based on the empty glass.

Worse than that. It’d be a vegan grading a steak.

My moronic vegetarian roommate wondered how anyone can stand bacon with how bad it smells. Told him he never tried so no basis to compare it to anything. It’s like listening to a 2D being discuss the Z axis.

 

[crackers8199]

Off the top of my head, the R&D and implementation of the phone and card.

them wasting money on R&D for a product that doesn't work isn't our fault.

 

[ebmcs03]

them wasting money on R&D for a product that doesn't work isn't our fault.

Yup. Should have just stuck with the key fob.

 

[Msjulie]

I suppose I'm in the minority? My phone works perfectly to open the car, sometimes I still need to use the app or the screen to unlock the charge port but rarely. That said I probably would get a fob for the times it has to be left someplace like service or someone else needs to drive it as it seems less likely to be lost vs the car key thing.

 

[MXWing]

Phone / key card is another one of those “exercise in hubris” like the entire Model X program.

Solutions looking for problems is something Tesla is definently not immune to.

Reliable entry is not something to trifle with.

 

[b_ack51]

I agree, I like using my phone as the key. I still have yet to use the key cards for anything at all. My phone works like a charm, not sure what all the drama and love is about a key FOB. I would rather get rid of all the current keys I have in my pocket and not have to carry them around everywhere it was a move in the right direction in my mind with regards to simplifying my life. The key FOB is a step backwards in my opinion.

Agree. I’ve gotten rid of every key other than the car key. The model 3 completed that process and it’s great not having to have another item in my pocket or something to lose/forget. Phone is on me 24/7, so I’m happy to use it.

If free I’ll take a fob but just leave it at home.

 

[Need]

Agree. I’ve gotten rid of every key other than the car key. The model 3 completed that process and it’s great not having to have another item in my pocket or something to lose/forget. Phone is on me 24/7, so I’m happy to use it.

If free I’ll take a fob but just leave it at home.

My phone doesn't work 100% (more like 75%), but I will probably still use the phone instead of the keyfob. I will take the keyfob though because it probably use the same 2032 battery as other Tesla keyfobs.. and my Model X keyfobs are almost 1 year old.. probably need a battery replacement... $3 saved!

 

[diamond.g]

Phone / key card is another one of those “exercise in hubris” like the entire Model X program.

Solutions looking for problems is something Tesla is definently not immune to.

Reliable entry is not something to trifle with.

I suspect they thought their ride share service would have been operational by now.