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Thanks. You just gave me the words I have been looking for for future "discussions".They are part of your system and you are part of theirs. At the moment, the EV driver benefits from the ICE driver in terms of tax incentives and shorter lines to charge (+ loads more). ICE drivers benefit on EV owners being early adopters suffering on the bleeding edge and suffering rapid depreciation in some cases as well as everyone hopefully getting some environmental benefit.
Just because someone is 'Green' they can't ignore that they are part of a system that isn't.
Thanks. You just gave me the words I have been looking for for future "discussions".
The more equipment the better. If you’re spending the thick end of £40000 Ona. Car you would expect more than a four seats and an iPad. The BMW M3 equipment levels are way beyond even the priciest model 3 performance.
Also, maybe it’s an EV thing? But don’t confuse straight line speed with performance
A lot of American 'performance' cars don't handle apparently and yet they all still manage to go round corners without falling off the road every five minutes.
The problem with your BMW M3 is to feel like it is going fast you need to be doing silly speeds with a Tesla M3 ALL you need to do is have a squirt of throttle 'and relax' job done AND you get to keep your licence.
One of us seems to be getting confused about EV Performance, would you like it explained again?
I do admit I don't understand what equipment the Tesla M3 is missing that YOU really must have can you point out where it is deficient? Would be fantastic if you could list exactly what the BMW comes with that the Tesla does not that you simply can't live without.
There is no solution, but its better to recognise the issues than pretend they don't exist.
A wiper stalk, for starts![]()
A lot of American 'performance' cars don't handle apparently and yet they all still manage to go round corners without falling off the road every five minutes.
The problem with your BMW M3 is to feel like it is going fast you need to be doing silly speeds with a Tesla M3 ALL you need to do is have a squirt of throttle 'and relax' job done AND you get to keep your licence.
One of us seems to be getting confused about EV Performance, would you like it explained again?
I do admit I don't understand what equipment the Tesla M3 is missing that YOU really must have can you point out where it is deficient? Would be fantastic if you could list exactly what the BMW comes with that the Tesla does not that you simply can't live without.
That's a bit harsh. I'm all for performance,ance and light weight. Having owned a (not particularly quick or powerful) extremely light car in the past I can appreciate the affects on handling of a light car. They thing about this being an EV forum though is it's just not currently possible to have a lightweight EV with a practical range.
Maybe that'll change? The lotus Evija should help? Surely they, of all car companies, won't produce a heavy car?
Thanks for that.Actually I was aware of it but didn't think there would be other geeks like me on this board!The inner geek in me is obliged to point out the original windows were actually running ms dos. Windows is just an interface! I take your point though
OMG. You've gone too far. My wife made me throw mine away last year.I think it almost defines many many people on here!
I still have my PC DOS and MS DOS (and CP/M for that matter) installation disks!
Time passes.
I know it is unfair to deaf mutes but the future is voice control. Who needs buttons?A wiper stalk, for starts![]()
Once again, there’s a lot more to performance than straight line speed. That’s why the BMW M3 has better driving dynamics than a model 3 performance. In my experience it’s close though.
The thing you seem to be missing, by asking me what I NEED in a car is missing the point somewhat. If I just wanted a car with things I NEED on it, I’d buy a Dacia Sandero.
When you are spending £60 grand on a car you expect more than things you need. The bmw has adaptive suspension and a HUD for example. Both should be on a model 3 performance. Especially the latter with the lack of a dashboard.
Let’s ignore all the sarcy comments and get back to what I was saying: someone else was comparing the BMW M3 to a SR+ and I was pointing out you couldn’t as the beemer was just superior in every way.Some would argue that a Mazda MX-5 has superior driving dynamics to a BMW M3, depends upon what you want 'performance' wise. For instance dragsters are all about 'straight line speed' as you like to put it BUT are pretty useless at carrying that speed through a corner BUT yet they still drive them on track. And yet as I have said before the Tesla has undeniably epic 'straight line speed' but equally can also go round corners just as well as most could ever want, at least the one I drove did.
The thing YOU seem to be missing is,,,,,errr,,,actually you don't say what it is you are missing exactly other than the Tesla M3P is a bit like a Dacia Sandero, equipment wise.
But would a Dacia Sandero provide you with the Badge Experience you so obviously admire and covet that BMW seems to give you? I also suspect you wouldn't be happy with the Dacia as the servicing costs would be so insignificant there must surely be something amiss.
Sooo just so I have this right - YOU want a car with a load of things on it that are unnecessary as you feel that gives you more value for money? Then question the price of the car and equipment levels yet don't see the correlation between those equipment levels and the cost of the car?
I might also add in that BMW have OTA updates to give you little add ons that you managed to live without just fine but hey every little extra helps,,,,Half-a-mo it isn't the BMW that does that it's the,,,,TESLA![]()
someone else was comparing the BMW M3 to a SR+ and I was pointing out you couldn’t as the beemer was just superior in every way.
That only works for the occasional on/off toggling, but wipers often have to be on, off, faster, slower to meet the conditions of the road, as rain is seldom the same for long periods of time.I know it is unfair to deaf mutes but the future is voice control. Who needs buttons?
It’s a fact though. Just because we are a a Tesla forum doesn’t mean we can’t be honest. Surely humility makes the OP “hatred towards EV” less likely. There are many things you can recommend a Tesla for but a BMW M3 is better built, much better equipped and performs better. Thats pretty easy to demonstrate.Good luck making such a bold, general and frankly absurd statement on a Tesla fan forum. Do you not think your attitude might rile some people up?