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..I think the risk of Muslim attacks on the US because of what's going on in Israel/Palestine are fairly low. Probably not completely zero, but low. Hamas wants Americans to believe that the Palestinians are the innocent victims of Israeli aggression and sponsoring any attacks on the US would destroy that narrative.

They do not want to escalate the war. They want the war to wind down:

 
it still needs to comply with international laws,

Israel does comply. And no pimply keffiyeh wearer ever comprehends that it is Hamas and it followers that is violating International Humanitarian Law.

For your education:

What is Israel doing to respect International Humanitarian Law in Gaza?

Under International Humanitarian Law, Israel is fully justified in responding to Hamas’ attacks. Here is a breakdown to show why.

Necessity ✅

Israel is exercising its inherent right of self-defense, enshrined in the UN Charter, in response to Hamas’s attacks. That right doesn’t end with the elimination of the hundreds of terrorists that infiltrated Israel on October 7. Israel is entitled to continue exercising this right until it eliminates the ongoing threat posed by Hamas.

Distinction ✅

The IDF adopts a strict approach to distinguishing military targets from civilian ones, which roughly parallels the U.S. military’s approach. Only people who directly participate or provide the financing/supplies for a specific attack are to be treated as military targets.

The IDF’s approach protects the vast majority of Gazan civilians. The IDF also traditionally requires multiple sources to verify a target. When striking, the IDF employs multiple tactics to ensure civilians are least likely to be in the area and minimize the collateral effects of the blast.

Prior to carrying out airstrikes, the IDF also takes significant precautions to give civilians notice to evacuate an area and avoid harm, including dropping Arabic language leaflets and sending mobile phone alerts to civilians in strike zones, alerting them to the impending attacks and urging them to leave the area.

If civilians do not evacuate, the IDF uses a tactic known as “knocking on the roof,” in which it fires a non-explosive or low-yield projectile as a warning at the strike zone to further incentivize evacuations. The IDF also uses munitions designed to precisely target specific military objectives and reduce collateral damage.

Proportionality ✅

The IDF’s response to Hamas’ use of civilians as human shields in Gaza is one of the clearest examples of its adherence to the proportionality principle. The IDF characterizes involuntary human shields as civilians in its proportionality calculations, in keeping with the majority view of the international community. When an IDF soldier is unable to determine whether a person is functioning as a human shield voluntarily or involuntarily, he or she presumes the shielding is involuntary.

Israel frequently aborts military operations against verified military targets when it determines civilians remain in the area—even after it has warned such civilians and encouraged them to evacuate. IHL experts have described seeing the IDF implement this policy in practice, for instance watching IDF commanders call off strikes during the 2021 conflict because civilians had remained in place after receiving warnings.

The IDF requires that military lawyers review all decisions regarding targets and strikes to ensure Israel is complying with international law. The IDF also empowers military lawyers to make decisions on operational law issues and by placing military lawyers outside the chain of command so they are not subordinate to the commanders they are advising. Unlike in many countries, the Israeli Supreme Court can also review operational decisions.

What is Hamas doing to violate International Humanitarian Law in Gaza and Israel?

The savage attack on Israeli civilians by Hamas terrorists on October 7 was an egregious violation of International Humanitarian Law that amounts to war crimes. Moreover, the Iran-backed terror group continues to put the civilian residents of Gaza at risk of harm. Here is a breakdown to show why.

❌ Distinction

Hamas violates the distinction principle by deliberately attacking Israeli civilian population areas. The deliberate murder - including of entire families and as many as 40 babies in a single location - the abduction of dozens of hostages from at least ten countries besides Israel, and kidnapping of innocent civilians were not collateral losses from legitimate military action - they were crimes undertaken with the sole objective to terrorize and kill Israeli civilians who should enjoy complete protection from being targeted under International Humanitarian Law. Hamas also violates the distinction principle by launching thousands of rockets at Israeli population centers that cannot distinguish between civilian and military objects.

Hamas has threatened to execute the hostages publicly, which would constitute another violation of IHL.

In Gaza, Hamas locates operational military bases in civilian areas; using its own civilians as human shields, encouraging civilians not to evacuate in response to warnings from the IDF; and weaponizing items and locations such as schools and mosques, which again should be protected under international law. Hamas also violates the principle of distinction by avoiding uniforms and thus failing to distinguish its fighters from civilians.

❌ Proportionality

Because Hamas does not aim its strikes at military targets, its indiscriminate attacks do not qualify as strikes that are necessary to achieve a military objective and therefore violate the standard of necessity in International Humanitarian Law.

Is Israel violating International Humanitarian Law when its actions result in civilian casualties?

Misguided criticism of the IDF on proportionality grounds often stems from a misunderstanding of this term. Hamas employs asymmetric warfare tactics, often seeking to provoke attacks by the IDF which can be portrayed to the media and international community as having been disproportionate so that it can take advantage of this misunderstanding.

When Hamas violates the principle of distinction by carrying out its operations, firing missiles, and working from civilian sites, the particular sites it uses become legitimate military targets. The principle of proportionality in International Humanitarian Law requires that damage to civilians not be excessive in relation to the military advantage anticipated from a strike against a military target. Proportionality does not require one party to a conflict to avoid incidental harm to civilians altogether; just as it does not require one party to avoid exceeding its adversary’s losses or limit its use of weapons to the type or quantity of those employed by its adversary. Unfortunately, not every instance in which civilians are harmed reflects a violation of international humanitarian law. International humanitarian law places obligations on all parties to war, and it is incumbent on all observers to consider which party is endeavoring to fulfill its legal obligations and which is deliberately flouting them as a tactic of asymmetrical warfare.
 
It's kind of funny isn't it? The Nazis never attacked America, never pulled a "Pearl Harbor". Yet we waged war against Germany and virtually obliterated the nation, flattened entire cities, to defeat them-and no one whined about America or the allies for doing so. Yet violent savages commit a genocide against the people of Israel for 3/4 of a century, Gazans committed some of the worst atrocities against Jews in history. Slaughtered 1200 innocent people, and kidnap 250 more. Yet when Israel finally responds, wages war against a cowardly enemy hiding behind their own women and children, did so with a lower civilian/combatant death rate than any army in history. and simple-minded idiots attack and denounce them. The amount of hate and anti-Semitism in this country is frankly shocking, Especially by people that hide their hate and anti-Semitism over a "concern" for the rapist and butchers of Hamas.

I'm hoping Americans are waking up to the threat that violent Islam poses to America, and around the world. An Islamic "convert" in my old home-town was attempting a terror attack in my former home-town, where he was going to slaughter Americans attending church, Fortunately the FBI shut him down-the day before the attack was to take place.
If a country on the other side of the world is aggressive against allies, it makes that country an enemy. Germany was the aggressor of two world wars and much more, only culturally changing after the utter destruction and evil of WWII. This is why it's so important to contain Russia by assisting Ukraine. This is why it's so important to contain radical Islam by containing Hamas and their ilk.

Germany did not have to directly attack US soil to become our enemies.
Wake up?

At the beginning of the war, many US leaders were solidly supporting Israel:


As the death toll grows, the support for Israel from US leaders starts to decline:


Even in war, no matter how much more powerful Israel is, how many it can kill, it still needs to comply with international laws, or it will lose the world's support:

Report: Israeli doctor says detained Palestinians are undergoing ‘routine’ amputations for handcuff injuries

Orignal Israeli newspaper source with paywall below:
What most Jews and Israelis knew on October 7th was that, if we got any support, it would be short lived. Then we would have to go it alone. Jews in America marched for civil rights and have massively supported the left, from Black Lives Matters to trans rights. Few were shocked when, from the get go, the left abandoned us to the reactionary right wing terrorists. Most of us saw it coming, though my rabbi, who has worked for liberal and interfaith causes for decades and is vegetarian, was sadly disappointed.

Honestly, the 12 or so hours of support we got was more than I expected.

The death toll? Nobody quite knows. The Germans claimed over 200k dead in the Dresden bombing, but historians have found the number more like 25000. There is no truth on a battlefield. Those Haaretz reporters are sitting in Jerusalem and Tel Aviv then calling and texting with people in Gaza. Nothing is firsthand, and nothing can be believed. Also, if you told an Israeli that you got your news from Haaretz, you'd be laughed out of the room.
 
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If a country on the other side of the world is aggressive against allies, it makes that country an enemy. Germany was the aggressor of two world wars and much more, only culturally changing after the utter destruction and evil of WWII. This is why it's so important to contain Russia by assisting Ukraine. This is why it's so important to contain radical Islam by containing Hamas and their ilk.

Germany did not have to directly attack US soil to become our enemies.

What most Jews and Israelis knew on October 7th was that, if we got any support, it would be short lived. Then we would have to go it alone. Jews in America marched for civil rights and have massively supported the left, from Black Lives Matters to trans rights. Few were shocked when, from the get go, the left abandoned us to the reactionary right wing terrorists. Most of us saw it coming, though my rabbi, who has worked for liberal and interfaith causes for decades and is vegetarian, was sadly disappointed.

Honestly, the 12 or so hours of support we got was more than I expected.

The death toll? Nobody quite knows. The Germans claimed over 200k dead in the Dresden bombing, but historians have found the number more like 25000. There is no truth on a battlefield. Those Haaretz reporters are sitting in Jerusalem and Tel Aviv then calling and texting with people in Gaza. Nothing is firsthand, and nothing can be believed. Also, if you told an Israeli that you got your news from Haaretz, you'd be laughed out of the room.
I’ve seen this information now in multiple posts on X. Here is one.

“Gaza Health Ministry has now admitted that the total death count in Gaza stands at 21, 720.

An estimated 13,000 of those militant deaths are from IDF estimates.

It means that only 8,720 have been civilian deaths.”

 
Placing this here vs in the main investors’ thread, but will direct others here. People are now expressing concern about Iran’s threatened attack on Israel, and Israel’s possible retaliation. I saw several posts on X suggesting Israel is prepared to use an EMP glide bomb. Here is an article about it from one of the posts.

EMP = Electro Magnetic Pulse. It will destroy all electronics except those specifically shielded from it.

 
CNN is reporting that the US told Israel they will intercept any missiles or rockets. The reason is the US is concerned that if they don't, Israel will strike back hard and will escalate the situation. Again, the US is stopping Israel from doing what needs to be done.


That sounds similar to how the US would shoot down Yemen's missiles aiming at Israel.


That prevented retaliation from Israel but it escalated the war to include the US and Great Britain to attack Yemen instead.
 
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Malcom Nance is on a Twitter Space "Israel Gaza war space news and analysis (ConflictChronicle)" with a bunch of people I don't know talking about Israel and Iran exchanging drones and missiles right now.

Iran launches dozens of drones at Israel as Mideast tensions soar: Live updates

EDIT: Clarifying, it seems that it is just Iran who launched drones and maybe cruise missiles and Israel is preparing, along with Jordan to shoot them down. Also the US Navy is preparing to intercept any missiles launched by the Houthis from Yemen.
 
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Question… now that Iran has launched drone attacks against Israel, will that be covered here, or will we need a NEW WAR thread for Israel Iran War?
Why a new thread? Iran has been behind the raping terrorists in Gaza all along. This is just an extension with Iran trying to prove it is tough.
 
Just keep it all in the same thread, but change the title to "U.S. agression around the entire globe results in resistance from rest-of-world." That way we can discuss all sorts of conflicts in the same thread
I really don’t understand your statement....there are only two countries in the entire world who go to war because it’s the moral thing to do....the USA and Israel. Every other country goes to war either for evil, expediency or like every Western country because it has either has been dragged kicking and screaming or it just completely ran out of options.
 
Iran launches massive drone and missile attack against Israel

I've heard different numbers with Iran claiming 500 drones and missiles and this article claiming over 200. Almost all were intercepted. No word yet on how much damage by the ones that got through. However many were launched, that's less the the extremist religious lunatics can sell to the murdering fascists.
 
Just keep it all in the same thread, but change the title to "U.S. agression around the entire globe results in resistance from rest-of-world." That way we can discuss all sorts of conflicts in the same thread

The US does not have clean hands. The US has caused a number of the world's problems, or contributed quite a bit to them. The regime in Iran came about because the US and UK interfered in Iranian politics in the 1950s.

Not all of the world's problems came about because of the US. The situation in Ukraine came about because Russia wanted to put the band back together. The US has had very little to do with that. The Russians have pushed the narrative that the US wanted to expand NATO eastward. The US resisted that, but Poland forced the issue by telling NATO to either let them in or Poland was going to develop their own nuclear weapons. Eastern Europe desperately wanted into NATO because they wanted to be under somebody's nuclear umbrella. The start of the war in Ukraine drove Sweden and Finland into NATO because they saw that any country close to Russia that was not under someone's nuclear umbrella was vulnerable.

The situation in Israel has had US contribution. The US has been a stalwart ally to Israel for decades and has given them a lot of military aid over the years. But Israel is their own dog. They act on their own interests and have gone against what the US has wanted on a number of occasions.
 
Unless it’s not over...I’m not sure what Iran’s ‘strong message’ has achieved....except for their terrorist proxies to wonder if their chief backer is a paper tiger. If a mass attack with their best weapons from the mother country couldn’t achieve anything except to solidify the west behind Israel...they must be wondering how effective their casts offs are going to be.
Perhaps a better thought in the minds of the terrorist leadership would be...if attacking Israel is ineffective, perhaps we should march into Tehran and put a hardline leadership in place