MASTER THREAD: 2021 Model 3 - Charge data, battery discussion etc

[Max_G]

This is the official Model 3 VIN decoder:

This car has the Panasonic 3L 82kWh NCA battery pack since Oct. 2020 and will show you a range of 508km max. 505km is just fine.

Where can I find this decoder?

My data is as follows:

Position	Description	Value
1-3	Manufacturer	LRW = Tesla, China.
4	Make	3 = Model 3
5	Body Type	F = Sedan 4 Door (Model 3, Right-Hand Drive)
6	Restraint System	7 = Type 2 manual seatbelts (Front, Rear*3) with Front Airbags, Side Inflatable Restraints & Active Hood
7	Battery Type	E = Lithium-Ion Battery - Electric
8	Motor/Drive Unit	K = Dual Motor - China
9	Check Character	3
10	Model Year	M = 2021
11	Location of Manufacture	C = Shanghai, China

How do I determine what type of battery I have got?

 

[TomaGo]

You need the type of your Model 3, on your car papers. (E3D, E5D, E5L, E5C...) to determine the battery

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[eivissa]

Where can I find this decoder?

My data is as follows:

Position	Description	Value
1-3	Manufacturer	LRW = Tesla, China.
4	Make	3 = Model 3
5	Body Type	F = Sedan 4 Door (Model 3, Right-Hand Drive)
6	Restraint System	7 = Type 2 manual seatbelts (Front, Rear*3) with Front Airbags, Side Inflatable Restraints & Active Hood
7	Battery Type	E = Lithium-Ion Battery - Electric
8	Motor/Drive Unit	K = Dual Motor - China
9	Check Character	3
10	Model Year	M = 2021
11	Location of Manufacture	C = Shanghai, China

How do I determine what type of battery I have got?

Hey Max,

the VIN Decoder in most cases is useless for this.

You can climb "under" your car and check the battery sticker. You can connect SMT and get a reading. You can charge the car to 100% and guess! it by the range in km. You can guess! it by the quarter in which you bought it and the location it came from.

By all data provided by you I would bet my chips on the LG 75kWh NMC battery pack.

 

[Max_G]

on your car papers

I am picking my car up on Friday. Based on your quote there will be papers with the car... I will have a look.

connect SMT

What is SMT? Thanks.

 

[eivissa]

I am picking my car up on Friday. Based on your quote there will be papers with the car... I will have a look.

What is SMT? Thanks.

SMT = Scan My Tesla = App to pickup and decode the CAN-BUS of your Tesla.

You need hardware to do this. Checking the battery stick is much easier. Your paperwork will probably not give you the essential clue, but you might look for variant code anyway...E5CD, E5LD or E3LD.

 

[AAKEE]

SMT = Scan My Tesla = App to pickup and decode the CAN-BUS of your Tesla.

You need hardware to do this. Checking the battery stick is much easier. Your paperwork will probably not give you the essential clue, but you might look for variant code anyway...E5CD, E5LD or E3LD.

Is theses codes ( 3…5…C…L) used outside EU as well?

 

[eivissa]

Is theses codes ( 3…5…C…L) used outside EU as well?

I dont know for sure, but I doubt it. Its worth checking for these codes anyway I guess.

 

[conv90]

You need the type of your Model 3, on your car papers. (E3D, E5D, E5L, E5C...) to determine the batteryView attachment 723222

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If you are referring to Nominal Full Pack I agree on all, except fot the E3LD . The NFP for E3DL (2170L) is 82,1 kWh

 

[eivissa]

The NFP for E3DL (2170L) is 82,1 kWh

The Full Pack When New value is 82,1kWh.
The highest Nominal Full Pack I've seen was 81,6kWh and the highest Nominal Remaining was 82,0kWh.
With normal charging habits the Panasonic 3L will settle in the mid 80's. Using 80,7kWh (probable degradation theshold) is sensible to have a fair comparison.

 

[conv90]

The Full Pack When New value is 82,1kWh.
The highest Nominal Full Pack I've seen was 81,6kWh and the highest Nominal Remaining was 82,0kWh.
With normal charging habits the Panasonic 3L will settle in the mid 80's. Using 80,7kWh (probable degradation theshold) is sensible to have a fair comparison.

My 2021 M3P never exceded the 79,8 kWh even when new at 10 km odometer... so this is not my point.

I was referring to the beautiful table posted by @TomaGo . If He uses the NFP (when new) like the Panasonic E3D at 77,8 kWh he should put 82,1 even on E3DL.

 

[TomaGo]

Hello, in this table capacity is NFP.

 

[conv90]

Hello, in this table capacity is NFP.

My concern is: "why you listed insteead 77,8 in E3D (2019/2020) that is "NFP WHEN NEW" paramenter in SMT? "

 

[AlanSubie4Life]

My concern is: "why you listed insteead 77,8 in E3D (2019/2020) that is "NFP WHEN NEW" paramenter in SMT? "

This is a valid point, because when new, typically NFP exceeds the FPWN value for LR vehicles with the 2170 pack (78-79kWh is not that uncommon), while as @eivissa says, for the 82.1kWh pack, we've never see in excess of about 81.6kWh.

So which value to use is a little confusing.

Separately, there are the degradation thresholds (the point around which degradation starts to show - in reality it's about 0.1-0.2kWh lower where it actually starts to show due to rounding of range to nearest integer) - which for the Performance is about 80.6kWh (well below FPWN), while for the LR it's about 77.8kWh (roughly matching FPWN).

This degradation threshold derived from the energy screen appears to be a better predictor of median initial capacity than FPWN value - the threshold appears to be typically about 0-1kWh below the initial pack capacity - though there are exceptions, since there is a distribution of initial pack capacities. @conv90, your pack started well below 80.6kWh as I recall, for example.

 

[aaronr]

When are we expecting to see deliveries for vehicles with the E5LD batteries for the M3LR? Are Q4 2021 deliveries likely to have these batteries? Particularly interested in the UK market (which I'm guessing will probably lag behind, so maybe Q1 2022?), but am I right to think they've not actually arrived for mainland Europe just yet either?

 

[eivissa]

Just stepped upon a (very probable) first listing of the new LG 82kWh battery pack on Tesla-Info.

• Model 3 LR 2021 MIC on its way to Australia
• Option Code BT43 -> 82kWh with no information about Manufacturer
• Still listed as WLTP 580km, but I believe that is not too important. Maybe the range hasnt changed there. I dont know the Aussie market.

Source:

2021 Tesla M3 Long Range AWD in Australia listed at Au$ 78,475

New 2021 Tesla M3 Long Range AWD in Australia listed at Au$ 78,475, ref LRW3230_cd6d999625b4936ee166ada5a8336f60, comprehensive details on tesla-info

tesla-info.com

 

[eivissa]

Just stepped upon a (very probable) first listing of the new LG 82kWh battery pack on Tesla-Info.

• Model 3 LR 2021 MIC on its way to Australia
• Option Code BT43 -> 82kWh with no information about Manufacturer
• Still listed as WLTP 580km, but I believe that is not too important. Maybe the range hasnt changed there. I dont know the Aussie market.

Source:

2021 Tesla M3 Long Range AWD in Australia listed at Au$ 78,475

New 2021 Tesla M3 Long Range AWD in Australia listed at Au$ 78,475, ref LRW3230_cd6d999625b4936ee166ada5a8336f60, comprehensive details on tesla-info

tesla-info.com

...same story for the M3 SR!

• Model 3 SR 2021 MIC on its way to Australia
• Option Code BTF1 -> 60kWh? (BTF0 was 55kWh)
• Still listed as WLTP 448km, but I believe that is not too important. Maybe the range hasnt changed there. I dont know the Aussie market.

Source:

2021 Tesla M3 Std Range Plus RWD in Australia listed at Au$ 62,775

New 2021 Tesla M3 Std Range Plus RWD in Australia listed at Au$ 62,775, ref LRW3226_9bd24aaa09c37953a801b62ed9b67cae, comprehensive details on tesla-info

tesla-info.com

 

[transpondster]

found transit to Europe (France)

2021 Tesla M3 Std Range Plus RWD in France listed at € 48,390

New 2021 Tesla M3 Std Range Plus RWD in France listed at € 48,390, ref LRW3210_3bb3e12cd0df2bb2f67b7980f861d477, comprehensive details on tesla-info

tesla-info.com

note that this SR+ gets price increase, currently France had lowest prices for SR+ to be under 45k for big incentive

 

[panpan1]

They just went up another $2k in the US as well.

 

[conv90]

AFTER a drop of NFP TO 76,3 kWh in the past weeks I had a regain up to 77,8 , but in another 2 weeks up today It returned to 76,3-76-4 , day by day 0,1 kWh after 0,1 kWh drop. on my 2021 15k km Model 3 P.
What is strange is that the math on the Energy screen is always at 78,2 kW.
(average at 50km x range expected / percentage battery).

I'm so disappointed by the battery of my car. Really disappointed.
My car NOW after 7 months has less projected range (480) than my OLD LR 2019 (sold) with 26 months and 40k km.
And the LR 2019 started with projected range at 100% of 499 km . My M3P started at 506 km

 

[Ylannl]

Small update. I'm now at 76.5kWh according to SMT, with full rated range of 560km. CAC values all above 220 Ah. While charging from 8% yesterday full rated range was jumping up and down by about 10-20 km (saw it as high as 564) but is clearly trending upwards. Much less variation in the nominal full pack estimate (considering 1kWh is about 6-7 km, and the variation there was only about ~0.1 kWh during the charge). Odometer is now at 7116 km. This Thursday I'm visiting the Service Center.

Another small update: I’m now at 77.6kWh NFP and full rated range is 571km according to SMT. Again most of that increase happened soon after driving long distances. Service center didn’t do anything, they said everything looks fine.