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Why compare vs. the Plaid (which is a performance offering) than the base S (already faster than the EQS, and longer range than the plaid)?-costs ~$20k less than a Model S Plaid
-apparently gets ~80 miles more of "real world range"
-apparently charges faster (at a DC fast charger) than a Model S Plaid at a supercharger (Mercedes-Benz EQS Charging Analysis Reveals It's Faster Than Plaid)
I suppose the big (biggest?) compromise is "only" going from 0 to 60 in ~4ish seconds.
Why compare vs. the Plaid (which is a performance offering) than the base S (already faster than the EQS, and longer range than the plaid)?
*IF* true we'll be hearing it loud and clear from owners. When is this going to happen? Are there any actual owners yet? (sorry if so, but I looked and youtube and found nothing from actual owners)TESTED: 2022 Mercedes-Benz EQS Sets New Edmunds EV Range Record | Edmunds
Edmunds tested the all-new 2022 Mercedes-Benz EQS 450+ to see how far it goes on a full battery charge. Its official EPA-estimated range is 350 miles, but EV range can vary in the real world. Here's how the first modern Mercedes production EV fared in our testing.www.edmunds.com
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The Mercedes EQS...
-costs ~$20k less than a Model S Plaid
-apparently gets ~80 miles more of "real world range"
-apparently charges faster (at a DC fast charger) than a Model S Plaid at a supercharger (Mercedes-Benz EQS Charging Analysis Reveals It's Faster Than Plaid)
I suppose the big (biggest?) compromise is "only" going from 0 to 60 in ~4ish seconds.
TESTED: 2022 Mercedes-Benz EQS Sets New Edmunds EV Range Record | Edmunds
Edmunds tested the all-new 2022 Mercedes-Benz EQS 450+ to see how far it goes on a full battery charge. Its official EPA-estimated range is 350 miles, but EV range can vary in the real world. Here's how the first modern Mercedes production EV fared in our testing.www.edmunds.com
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Because that’s the car they had for the tests. No one has given a long range to edmunds or any other magazine/online site. If you look at the data on inside EVs they actually use 396 mile range, so the miles per minute numbers are almost like a long range anyways. And the long range should have the same battery size as plaid so all of the % and charge rate figures should be the same. This isn’t a conspiracy. Cars are catching up or surpassing Tesla in terms of charging speed. Charging network is another thing obviously and reliability and longevity remain to be seen.Why compare vs. the Plaid (which is a performance offering) than the base S (already faster than the EQS, and longer range than the plaid)?
What data are you looking at? If you look at the Edmunds graph posted above, the Taycan, Mach-E and Kona all show much higher real-world mileage. The only thing "fishy" is Tesla's rosier EPA estimates that far too many people take at face value when comparing against other EVs which tend to be far more conservative with their EPA estimate (backed by Edmund's testing).I notice that the range on all but the EQS is about the same, a mere 30 miles difference between lowest and highest.
Fishy?
Not Edmunds, the upstream commenter I was quoting. Clearly the EQS competes with the LR S, not the Plaid.Because that’s the car they had for the tests.
I've been at my local dealership twice to test drive. They have yet to receive one.Indeed, how many of these have actually been delivered? And what are Mercedes' further production plans?
I am talking of the graph.If you look at the Edmunds graph posted above, the Taycan, Mach-E and Kona all show much higher real-world mileage. The only thing "fishy" is Tesla's rosier EPA estimates that far too many people take at face value when comparing against other EVs which tend to be far more conservative with their EPA estimate (backed by Edmund's testing).
Why compare vs. the Plaid (which is a performance offering) than the base S (already faster than the EQS, and longer range than the plaid)?
The best test is to drive till dead. So 2 out of 6 Teslas did hit their EPA rating. Others were close.You can compare to whatever you'd like. All Teslas apparently achieve ~95-97% of their EPA range in real world tests, so the LR (or base) S is still probably some 50+ miles short of the EQS in a "real world" setting. And would then have very little advantage over the EQS in the way of performance. Pricing would be similar (depending on options).
Taycan, now EQS, and coming up the Lucid Air...getting a bit crowded in the luxury sedan space with EVs. I'm not sure I see Tesla's ten year advantage or whatever. Of course, seems like there are year+ wait times for any of these vehicles unless you pre-ordered awhile back.
What data are you looking at? If you look at the Edmunds graph posted above, the Taycan, Mach-E and Kona all show much higher real-world mileage. The only thing "fishy" is Tesla's rosier EPA estimates that far too many people take at face value when comparing against other EVs which tend to be far more conservative with their EPA estimate (backed by Edmund's testing).
I have a MYLR on order but I'm fine acknowledging that Tesla's 326 mile rating for it is a bit aspirational in the real world. Meanwhile there are several comparisons on YT of the "lower range" Mach-E beating a MYLR in range tests. While Tesla has a small edge in efficiency over other manufacturers, it typically has the smallest battery packs compared to competitors, so the latter manage to compete reasonably well on range and even exceed Tesla cars in real-world range tests on occasion. Unfortunately the EPA range estimate is a rather flawed metric and Tesla games it a fair bit compared to some of the other manufacturers.
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The variance between the EPA and Edmunds with some cars is massively divergent, so the results are highly suspect.
Second is the range for all the non EQS cars is within 10%, despite all the variables in design.
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Curiously, the Edmonds test show the MS got 353 real miles, the MB 350. Notwithstanding MB's hyped 400+ mile range.TESTED: 2022 Mercedes-Benz EQS Sets New Edmunds EV Range Record | Edmunds
Edmunds tested the all-new 2022 Mercedes-Benz EQS 450+ to see how far it goes on a full battery charge. Its official EPA-estimated range is 350 miles, but EV range can vary in the real world. Here's how the first modern Mercedes production EV fared in our testing.www.edmunds.com
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The Mercedes EQS...
-costs ~$20k less than a Model S Plaid
-apparently gets ~80 miles more of "real world range"
-apparently charges faster (at a DC fast charger) than a Model S Plaid at a supercharger (Mercedes-Benz EQS Charging Analysis Reveals It's Faster Than Plaid)
I suppose the big (biggest?) compromise is "only" going from 0 to 60 in ~4ish seconds.
Their testing that they do for this leaderboard uses a consistent methodology across all cars. I don't see any conspiracy here unless you are accusing them of making up the numbers but that requires a rather large burden of proof.Curiously, the Edmonds test show the MS got 353 real miles, the MB 350. Notwithstanding MB's hyped 400+ mile range.
But not a peep about the real world. And, as has been pointed out, they cherry picked the Plaid so they could tout the MB being cheaper.
Unethical journalism, but Edmonds depends on legacy manna.