This post proves my point about EV demand anyway. Tesla has to sell M3Ps at steep discounts to move them. But at the same time a new M3P will sell like hotcakes at 55k plus? Which is it? If given the choice between a 55k m3p or a 60k i4 m50, I would bet the majority of average car buyers take the BMW every day of the week and twice on Sundays. The M3P will have to be very special or maybe the new model will be to sell them at 45k per your post above.
I think you just made my point! I Wasn’t trying to say the Plaid was a better performance car at all. It’s fantastic for what it is and the Taycan drives circles around it no doubt, but Porsche fanboys
are just as passionate about their brand…am I wrong. Credit where credit is due though…it’s the lunatic racing drivers that can only ever truly experience what either car is fully capable of. Daily driving these on the street, which is my use case, doesn’t even come close to pushing them and if you are you shouldn’t be. So it comes down to bragging rights and forum banter and maybe a red light romp to which the Plaid is king…for now!
Tesla doesn't "sell M3Ps at steep discounts to move them". They sell them at prices lower than everyone else because they can. They have such huge margins and they produce them so efficiently that they can discount the prices and still remain profitable all while capturing 50%+ of the EV market.
What an amazing time to be alive…when mid 3 second 0-60 times are considered “slow”!
The point is that even a "lame duck Model 3" is better than that I4 M50. That isn't a very good EV at all. I still don't understand what people see in it.
Then you didn’t look very hard. The street price for an i4 m50 is about 62k after incentives. With some work m, 60k is achievable. These are with an MSRP of 75k. I paid 62k for mine and incentives have improved since I bought it. It’s the best selling M division car BMW makes so clearly some people are buying them. This isn’t about BMW v Tesla it’s about how Tesla can make the M3P compelling. Not to the 15 fanboys here but the millions who buy cars. The M3P at 55k will be a tough sell. That’s my position. We can all wait and see whether I’m right or wrong. If I’m wrong it’s because Tesla has upped its game. So I hope I’m wrong.
Maybe your definition of better. I’ve owned both cars. And under my definition, the i4 is “better” for my purposes. It depends what you prioritize. We’ve already hashed this out here. There are pros and cons to both cars. Statements like the “m3P is better” show you lack objectivity.
Classic fanboy response.
Says the guy with the econobox that could pass for a less attractive Corolla but with worse build quality and looks the same as 6/10 cars on the road. But hey, you’ll beat the soccer mom to Starbucks from the red light so that’s cool.
Here is my prediction. Tesla will sell every single Ludicrous Model 3 they can make this year before any of the cars hit the lot. The wait times for the car will steadily increase throughout the year to the point that some people will consider buying them used just to get one. Meanwhile the demand for the I4 will continue to decline despite the incentives increasing every month.
Why are you even here? This statement alone says that you hate the Model 3. Ok great. They obviously aren't going to offer whatever it is you want in a Model 3 so why are you still here? You have nothing of any relevance to offer to this conversation.
The is prediction is meaningless unless you tell me how many they are making. Are they keeping supply low to increase perceived demand? How are they pricing them? Are they 55k 45k 70k? Will they discount them after launch to boost sales? So many variables. Silliness. Seriously you are predicting a sellout of a car we haven’t even seen yet. Utter blind fanboy! Please pump the brakes on this yet to be seen car that we have zero information on. As I’ve said 100 times, I hope you are right because it means they made a great car!
Then you haven’t read (or can’t comprehend) a thing I’ve said. Do better. The statement was tongue in cheek brother. It is a silly as yours about the i4. How about you just acknowledge the i4 is great car with different attributes than a model 3. Some better some worse. My point has nothing to do with the i4 anyway. It’s just an example of competition in the market. You may think no one cross shops these cars but I can assure you they do. Many of the guys on i4 talk came from or cross shopped against the m3p.
My prediction has been that the car will be less than $60k. I don't know how much less. It could be $59,990 or $54,990 or who knows what. They will make THOUSANDS of this car this year and they will sell them all. Many times the number of BMW I4 M50s that are made.
I never said people don't cross shop those cars. Certainly people compare them. However, they aren't really in the same price range at the moment. Even with your claimed discounted price that car is still $10k+ more expensive than any Model 3 Tesla is offering at the moment. Plus the BMW doesn't have NACS. That kills it for many people.
