Model Y Performance 21" Tires - Larger, More Comfortable Fitment Details and Experience - Michelin AS4's (With Photos)

[Raurele]

Sounds good, about to pull the trigger on these....does the "ZR" part make these incompatible or is this spec fine?

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Spec is perfect. Enjoy!

 

[Raurele]

I really appreciate this thorough explanation of what you’ve done here. I upgraded the read tires of my MYP to 295/35/21 but now the fronts need to be replaced and my rears are at about 50% tread so I’m likely going to replace all 4.

My question to you is… since you’ve upgraded your tires and it’s been some time now, have you had any issues when turning or while having extra weight in the car such as passengers and cargo? I am nervous the tires will rub or cause damage to the wheel well. Luckily my local tire shop has the Michelin pilot sport a/s 4 in stock.

Thanks!

Zero negative effect. I drive with a heavy load often

 

[Raurele]

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Love a tight fit

 

[kpanda17]

guys, for the model YP a few to confirm:

1. Agreed to setup is 275/40 front and 295/40 rear

2. The wider tires will help prevent curb rash

Feedback on each is appreciated

 

[Deaf Paul]

guys, for the model YP a few to confirm:

1. Agreed to setup is 275/40 front and 295/40 rear

2. The wider tires will help prevent curb rash

Feedback on each is appreciated

265/40 for the front is what I've been hearing and am planning on if going to the larger wheels will not going to make my MYP slower.

-Paul

 

[irwiny]

For fun I had installed on YP - 2 Continental DWS 295-35-21 107y rated (used 80%) to rear and moved 275/35/21 Michelin factor (3K miles driven) to the front to test. Total experiment cost of $140 and it's freaking nice . I'll find a matching set later but I'm not too worried about driving in freezing cold weather in Nor Cal.

 

[kpanda17]

For fun I had installed on YP - 2 Continental DWS 295-35-21 107y rated (used 80%) to rear and moved 275/35/21 Michelin factor (3K miles driven) to the front to test. Total experiment cost of $140 and it's freaking nice . I'll find a matching set later but I'm not too worried about driving in freezing cold weather in Nor Cal.

For curb rash protection, the rears look good. The 275s on the front don’t seem to be great with the amount of rubber past the rim.

 

[lilgolfb0i]

Hey everyone! If you've bought a set of michelins after reading this, I just had this sent to me through one of the Tesla communities I follow.

15% rebate on michelins bought any time during 2023. So no excuse to not get the best tires you can get.

Michelin Discount Program PDF
Link to submit your invoice and details

Where it asks for the "Pro Discount Code", use:
INFPRO15-PNTF-E1PU

Mods: I'm not affiliated with Michelin, or any specific group. I just wanted to share since these tires are NOT cheap and a lot of you seem to have made the switch! My full set was about $2000 after taxes and fees.

Thank you so much for this. Just submitted my rebate!

 

[Raurele]

Thank you so much for this. Just submitted my rebate!

I received my prepaid card last week. Took a little over a month, but hell yeah!

 

[Msicario]

I recently had to replace my 2022 MYP OEM Michelin All Season 4's and after a lot of research, and tire hunting, wanted to share my experience and the direction I went. Valuable information for those close to ordering new tires. I just drive 2000 miles through Santa Cruz, San Jose, Sacramento, and did a weekend in Tahoe, driving on many dirt roads and rough roads.

First off, I will never go with another set of tires after having these. I made it to 37,000 miles with 3/32 left on all 4 tires. they wore evenly. Their performance in heavy rain and even 6" of snow was unbelievable. Ive had multiple cars with Pirellis, and always stuck with them, but was not happy with the miles I got out of them, and the thought of getting 27,000 miles on them with an EV just sounds terrible considering the price.

The Tires

I went up in size with width, and sidewall.

Stock/OEM for the MYP is:
Front: 255/35/21
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Rear: 275/35/21
View attachment 853291

The tires I chose are:
Front: 265/40/21
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Rear: 295/40/21
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Fitment

Front wheels fully turned, there's still >1" to the inner tire well. So no rubbing at all, even with quick turns into parking lots (Where you would probably get rubbing the most)
Rear wheels haven't rubbed on any large bumps. I even tried to get them to rub. nothing.

The main bonus functionality wise is that the tires extend farther out than the rims. not much, but they do.
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Look

The difference is huge. Pictures don't do it justice. When I see other MYP's now, the OEM tires look stretched and the amount of room in the tire well looks like a mistake. maybe not on the MYLR, but for a performance, the larger sidewall REALLY looks great. It creates the illusion that your car is lowered, but its actually ~1.5" higher clearance

It truly looks performance even though It can handle bumpy roads and "All Season" conditions even better.

Before:
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After:
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Efficiency

This part was really interesting.

Bigger tires have a higher rolling resistance than smaller tires which means they require more resistance and effort to get them rolling. However, if you do a lot of freeway driving at high speeds, larger tires can help increase your vehicle's efficiency.

So, days I drive a lot in the city with lots of stop and go, I get about 7% less range. but when I do a lot of freeway driving, I get about 7% better range.

I drive 150-350 miles a day, and have found zero difference in range because I do a wide range of road types. I really thought I'd lose range.

Feel

WOW, what a difference. Sure the suspension is still stiff, but I feel a LOT less of the small imperfections of the roads I drive on every day. even my girlfriend said she noticed it before I got to point it out. Speed bumps and things feel much better and not like im driving over a 2"x4". This is my favorite part of these tires functionality wise. Cant describe it.

There is no foam in the tires, but they are STILL quieter than the OEM with the foam. that stuffs a gimmick.

Things To Be Aware Of

Speedometer: It is not going to be accurate. Due to the larger diameter, it is off. I called Tesla, and talked to 2 different service centers, and there is nothing they can do about it. This seems like something Tesla overlooked. The only thing you can change is your rim size in your cars settings, but not the diameter...

So, when my car says im going 70MPH, im actually going 74MPH.
says 25, im going 26.5
says 40, im going 43
says 65, im going 68.5
says 85 (for AP max) im going 90.

This is something that as long as you keep in mind, it doesnt matter. I just changed my cruise control settings so it doesn't add 5MPH anymore. I chose 7% increase and it's fine.

I dont know if it's the new beta version, or that the car thinks its going slower than it is, but ive noticed that on AP/FSDbeta, it is taking turns a little wider and sometimes touches the lines on the outer edge of the turn if im going above 50mph. I'm pretty sure it's the speed issue.

This really needs to be able to be corrected by the user in the settings. sometimes switching brands can add .5in of diameter even if the tire is the same "size".

Conclusion:

Go Bigger! the OEM tires are actually stretched on your Uberturbines. they are meant for wider tires but Tesla went smaller for efficiency reasons, which in the end, didn't matter. Finding the OEM sizes of these wonderful tires is basically impossible. They are on a national backorder right now which is why I went for a different size in the first place. These tires arent cheap, but they ARE worth every penny.

American tire warned me that they weren't OEM sizes, and I told them I know for a fact they will fit and they had no problem installing them.

Here's some more pictures just for fun. These are some CHONKY tires. Thicc with 2 "C"s. tiny American tire man for reference.
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37K miles even wear ? That’s unbelievable; Rear OE 275,s that’s totally crazy and still had 3/32 on them WOW.
I have a 2022 MYP OE Pirellies with a rear Camber adjustable kit.. could only get 27K Max and maybe 1/32 left…

 

[kpanda17]

Probably the high mileage on the tires is more related to the MYP being mostly in chill mode vs sport. Mine is in this as I have children with lead feet and pin limit the speed which forces chill mode. Chill mode drastically reduces rhe torque to the tires. Of course when I want it, I put it in sport mode for my fix.

 

[Raurele]

Probably the high mileage on the tires is more related to the MYP being mostly in chill mode vs sport. Mine is in this as I have children with lead feet and pin limit the speed which forces chill mode. Chill mode drastically reduces rhe torque to the tires. Of course when I want it, I put it in sport mode for my fix.

I’ve never used chill mode. I drive like an asshole. Usually 10 over the speed limit lol

 

[fiehlsport]

What retailers are you guys having success with the 15% rebate with?

I am an (extremely small) Michelin tire retailer, but I'm wondering if they'll accept my rebate since I'm not Tire Rack, or Discount Tire, etc... Has anyone gone through a private biz for this and had it accepted?

 

[Raurele]

What retailers are you guys having success with the 15% rebate with?

I am an (extremely small) Michelin tire retailer, but I'm wondering if they'll accept my rebate since I'm not Tire Rack, or Discount Tire, etc... Has anyone gone through a private biz for this and had it accepted?

Don't believe it matters... no reason not to try

 

[dentbot3000]

I recently had to replace my 2022 MYP OEM Michelin All Season 4's and after a lot of research, and tire hunting, wanted to share my experience and the direction I went. Valuable information for those close to ordering new tires. I just drive 2000 miles through Santa Cruz, San Jose, Sacramento, and did a weekend in Tahoe, driving on many dirt roads and rough roads.

First off, I will never go with another set of tires after having these. I made it to 37,000 miles with 3/32 left on all 4 tires. they wore evenly. Their performance in heavy rain and even 6" of snow was unbelievable. Ive had multiple cars with Pirellis, and always stuck with them, but was not happy with the miles I got out of them, and the thought of getting 27,000 miles on them with an EV just sounds terrible considering the price.

The Tires

I went up in size with width, and sidewall.

Stock/OEM for the MYP is:
Front: 255/35/21
View attachment 853290
Rear: 275/35/21
View attachment 853291

The tires I chose are:
Front: 265/40/21
View attachment 853292
Rear: 295/40/21
View attachment 853293
Fitment

Front wheels fully turned, there's still >1" to the inner tire well. So no rubbing at all, even with quick turns into parking lots (Where you would probably get rubbing the most)
Rear wheels haven't rubbed on any large bumps. I even tried to get them to rub. nothing.

The main bonus functionality wise is that the tires extend farther out than the rims. not much, but they do.
View attachment 853301

Look

The difference is huge. Pictures don't do it justice. When I see other MYP's now, the OEM tires look stretched and the amount of room in the tire well looks like a mistake. maybe not on the MYLR, but for a performance, the larger sidewall REALLY looks great. It creates the illusion that your car is lowered, but its actually ~1.5" higher clearance

It truly looks performance even though It can handle bumpy roads and "All Season" conditions even better.

Before:
View attachment 853299

After:
View attachment 853302
Efficiency

This part was really interesting.

Bigger tires have a higher rolling resistance than smaller tires which means they require more resistance and effort to get them rolling. However, if you do a lot of freeway driving at high speeds, larger tires can help increase your vehicle's efficiency.

So, days I drive a lot in the city with lots of stop and go, I get about 7% less range. but when I do a lot of freeway driving, I get about 7% better range.

I drive 150-350 miles a day, and have found zero difference in range because I do a wide range of road types. I really thought I'd lose range.

Feel

WOW, what a difference. Sure the suspension is still stiff, but I feel a LOT less of the small imperfections of the roads I drive on every day. even my girlfriend said she noticed it before I got to point it out. Speed bumps and things feel much better and not like im driving over a 2"x4". This is my favorite part of these tires functionality wise. Cant describe it.

There is no foam in the tires, but they are STILL quieter than the OEM with the foam. that stuffs a gimmick.

Things To Be Aware Of

Speedometer: It is not going to be accurate. Due to the larger diameter, it is off. I called Tesla, and talked to 2 different service centers, and there is nothing they can do about it. This seems like something Tesla overlooked. The only thing you can change is your rim size in your cars settings, but not the diameter...

So, when my car says im going 70MPH, im actually going 74MPH.
says 25, im going 26.5
says 40, im going 43
says 65, im going 68.5
says 85 (for AP max) im going 90.

This is something that as long as you keep in mind, it doesnt matter. I just changed my cruise control settings so it doesn't add 5MPH anymore. I chose 7% increase and it's fine.

I dont know if it's the new beta version, or that the car thinks its going slower than it is, but ive noticed that on AP/FSDbeta, it is taking turns a little wider and sometimes touches the lines on the outer edge of the turn if im going above 50mph. I'm pretty sure it's the speed issue.

This really needs to be able to be corrected by the user in the settings. sometimes switching brands can add .5in of diameter even if the tire is the same "size".

Conclusion:

Go Bigger! the OEM tires are actually stretched on your Uberturbines. they are meant for wider tires but Tesla went smaller for efficiency reasons, which in the end, didn't matter. Finding the OEM sizes of these wonderful tires is basically impossible. They are on a national backorder right now which is why I went for a different size in the first place. These tires arent cheap, but they ARE worth every penny.

American tire warned me that they weren't OEM sizes, and I told them I know for a fact they will fit and they had no problem installing them.

Here's some more pictures just for fun. These are some CHONKY tires. Thicc with 2 "C"s. tiny American tire man for reference.
View attachment 853304View attachment 853305

I did the similar on a 392 SRT 300. 255 TO 275 and 275 TO 295. Ride quality improves, at the cost of a little cornering in my experience

 

[kpanda17]

Is this a crazy idea?
275s front and rear of MYP
Then we can rotate

 

[Raurele]

Is this a crazy idea?
275s front and rear of MYP
Then we can rotate

yes. your cars brain works around a staggered setup.

 

[kpanda17]

yes. your cars brain works around a staggered setup.

i know you are joking, but did we ever analyze this? MYP with 275s all around
I’m only seeing it might not look great

 

[Msicario]

i know you are joking, but did we ever analyze this? MYP with 275s all around
I’m only seeing it might not look great

MYP… 255 on the front can last 35-40K miles; The problem are the rear 275’s but all you need to do is install an adjustable rear camber kit and the 275 might last 30-35K miles..

 

[Raurele]

i know you are joking, but did we ever analyze this? MYP with 275s all around
I’m only seeing it might not look great

I wasn’t joking. traction control, braking, and most emergency features are very finely tuned to the staggered setup.