LG has been facing questions about defects that lead to battery fires (Hyundai Kona, Chevrolet Bolt, Chrysler Pacifica PHEV, VW ID.3).What are the advantages of the LG 5L battery?
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Model Year 2022 Refresh M3/MY
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heavyD
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Those issues pertain to LG pouch cells, nothing to do with the cylindrical ones Tesla uses.
Looking at these two very recent inventory Performances the '21 is listed with 3D1 and the '22 with 3D6. What difference it makes I don't know.
They're built a little over a month apart. No full VINs but I assume if your car's VIN has N rather than M you'll have the 3D6 variant.
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The 3D6 has hairpin windings and is new for’22 so this makes sense. There are two variants of the 3D6; cat.2 & cat.3.
[edited] so maybe the ‘22 spec (Ryzen etc but made in ‘21) with 3D1 is the ‘old variant’ that was referred to on the chat I had.
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How can one tell what type of motor one has? In specific I'm interested in finding out on the M3LR, as I have a 02/22 I picked up this week.
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I have this question too, I pick up my M3P next week and the VIN says L for the hairpin windings motor (Variant 3DP) but how do I find out if it’s the more powerful motor?
The most definitive way is from the eight character of the VIN and second character of the Version from the Certificate of Conformity (CoC), if you get one.
VIN character 8:
CoC Version #G#### = cat.1, #Q#### = cat.2 or #Z#### = cat.3.
I don't think you get a CoC so you can try to deduce it from battery type. With the M3P, if you don't have the LG 5L battery then you don't have the cat.3. If you do have the Panasonic 3L then you could have either of the three versions and would need to look for part numbers.
However just because the cat.3 is rated 16kW higher than the cat.2 it doesn't follow that one will be more powerful than another. It's a higher net power rating but it's controlled in software and ultimately limited by battery power. The 219kW net rating of the cat.1 & cat.2 motors is already exceeded with up to around 250kW measured (see Model Year 2022 Refresh M3/MY).
The cat.3 motor with the LG 5L has the potential to make more power in the M3P. It does make about 16kW more in the MYP. This is what I had expected (hoped) to see with my own 2022 M3P but at the moment no-one is getting the LG 5L battery in the M3P it seems. Also with the way Tesla assemble the M3P from three different rear motors and two different batteries the software will homogenise this, to achieve the rated performance.
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You can also see Model Iteration 2 (code MI02) in both vehicles manufactured in 2021. This confirms something I found over on the German site (see UK 2022 Orders to Delivery General Discussion) but I didn't expect to see the 3D6 motor in a 2021 build, so it must be a 2022 VIN.
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EVolv3d
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This is the important consideration. While the 3D6 hairpin wound rear motor should have the potential to make more power, it's ultimately software limited at the moment. The 3D1 & 3D6 rear motors in the MYP are both rated at 235kW. The CAT1 3D1 & CAT2 3D6 rear motors in the M3P are rated lower at 219kW (which can be seen in dyno comparisons that show the MYP producing ~20whp more than the M3P).
I'm bummed that my early '22 M3P still has the CAT1 3D1 motor and that they'll likely move to the CAT3 3D6 with the 16kW higher power rating later this year. Of course, then I'll just want the lighter, more powerful 4680 battery version in a couple years..
It'll be interesting to see if Tesla gives another OTA power bump to the older M3Ps. Tesla is clearly controlling the max power by software, but it'll ultimately be limited by the physical hardware (battery, DU, inverter, motor, etc.).
Took delivery of M3P in Netherlands today. Can confirm Ryzen and Panasonic 3L battery, MIC.
It's a European Union (EU) document which certifies that a vehicle confirms to the type (spec) described and can legally be registered. It is provided if the Customer has to register their own vehicle. I guess you will have something similar but not necessarily with the Variant and Version info used for the EU Type Approval process.
Bummer, it seems there is no way I have of getting those crucial details. It’s almost impossible getting any technical info from Tesla!
Thanks for this useful info!
Yes we don’t have the CoC in Australia which makes it difficult. How do I know if I have the Panasonic or the LG battery? I guess I assume I just have the Panasonic as that’s what is being shipped? It would be nice to know for sure.
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